Sadly we’ve come to the end of this epic trilogy. I know it’ll be hard, but do your best to wipe your tears away so you can read the words on the screen and acquire some more great info from my brother, Nate.
If you missed Part I click HERE.
And HERE for Part II.
We left off talking about pre-workout nutrition and are gonna pick up today with post workout nutrition.
JF: What about post workout nutrition? What are your recommendations there?
NM: Well, Eva Mendes is a great post-workout recovery snack…oops, off track again…
If you train in the later afternoon or evening than it’s a no-brainer. You go low-carb throughout the day, train, and then eat all of your carbs in the post-workout window.
If you train in the morning or at lunch, it is a little more complicated (and open for debate).
While from a purely physiological standpoint, it may be correct to have the majority of starchy carbs in the immediate post-workout window, from a psychological and functional standpoint, I still believe most carbs should be placed at night.
You could go with the traditional insulin-spiking carbs post-workout, but I find this to be problematic for a lot of clients because of the resulting rebound hypoglycemia and blood sugar/brain functioning crash.
If you’re a professional meathead or diva that’s fine, but if you have a cognitively demanding job it is no bueno.
JF: Yeah, that’s definitely a problem I’ve experienced when trying that and have had clients notice the same thing.
NM: Yeah, so for the “day-walkers”, I’ve been going with a source of protein and 1-2 pieces of whole fruit post-workout. This allows you to refill some glycogen stores and provides amino acids without over-spiking insulin and triggering that rebound hypoglycemia we talked about.
Then you fully re-stock your depleted muscle glycogen stores with the starch chow-down, throw-down at night. “Now can you dig that, sucka?”
JF: Oh, I can dig it.
NM: On a side note, immediately post-workout is the one time you don’t really need insulin to get carbs into the muscle cell. Muscular contractions translocate glucose transporters (GLUT4) to the muscle cell membrane, and facilitate glucose uptake into the muscle cell. It’s called the insulin-INDEPENDENT phase of glycogen restoration.
It’s kind of like me and Jason showing up to the hottest club in Vegas WITH a bunch of hot bikini babes. If it were just us two sausages, we’d be denied access (well at least I would, maybe not Jay, he’s kind of a celebrity).
JF: I was gonna say, speak for yourself there, son.
NW: But with a basket full of beautiful melons, we’re walking right in.
JF: That is true. And I do like beautiful melons.
NM: You and me both. Back to nerd-talk. What you want is fast-digesting carbs post-workout, not necessarily insulin-spiking carbs. And although fruit is low glycemic, it is one of the fastest digesting carbs. This is why it can work well for “day-walkers” — quick glycogen restoration without a blood sugar crash.
JF: You’re one brilliant bastard.
NM: Thanks.
So you save the starches for night where that rebound hypoglycemia can (a) help you fall asleep (any competitors out there going no-carb at night suffering from insomnia?), and (b) If timed right, actually trigger growth hormone release.
But that’s another story for another time…
All of that was in terms of pure dietary approaches, which is the area I’m most passionate about studying and teaching. And becoming an expert in that area alone can take a lifetime (as I’m discovering).
In terms of liquid nutrition and advanced supplementation protocols, I must admit, I’m really not the expert. Would a targeted supplement protocol enhance the already cool benefits of this dietary structure? Maybe. Is it absolutely necessary to achieve results? I don’t think so.
JF: I like your style.
NM: But again, I haven’t put a lot of time into researching and studying that topic. What I usually do with those questions is refer them to my colleagues who do study that stuff on a day-in, day-out basis. Don’t go to the plumber if you want and electrician’s advice. Fair enough?
JF: Great answer. Now, if someone were training strictly for size and strength instead of fat loss would you change your pre or post workout recommendations at all?
NM: Well for this style and structure of dieting, believe it or not, it wouldn’t change all that much. For example, one study showed that training fasted boosts some of the signals for muscle growth in the post-workout period.
So while the details of peri-workout nutrition might not change, obviously, the OVERALL, big picture diet would. Total calories would go up to make sure we were in a surplus as opposed to a deficit. Since protein should always be set at optimal levels to build or maintain muscle, then one or both of the energy macronutrients (carbs & fat) would go up based on individual metabolic factors.
In practical terms, it would just be bigger portions at meals, not necessarily an overhaul in dietary structure (unless you have a racehorse metabolism and/or huge energy demands).
For example, Little Shitake Miyaki is in a mass building phase. Last night I ate a pound of grass-fed steak and three pounds of potatoes. Fuck Lucky Charms, that was truly “magically delicious”.

JF: Haha. Sounds it. So let’s wrap this up here with one final question since I don’t think the Renegade Nation can handle any more dopeness at this point. You’re killin ‘em. What are your preferred diet and supplement strategies for combating inflammation?
First off, let me just say that inflammation is not always a bad thing, especially for an athlete. Inflammation is a natural part of the immune system response to tissue damage — say, muscular damage from training.
So pro-inflammatory foods (like steak and eggs high in arachidonic acid) normally labeled bad foods, can be an integral part of the anabolic recovery process from training.
Perhaps that’s why the legendary Vince Gironda favored steak and eggs during intense training phases.
But for shits and giggles lets say there is a specific circumstance where we need to make the diet as anti-inflammatory as possible — whether it be a specific medical condition (cardiovascular disease), debilitating joint pain, or just a hemorrhoid on your ass the size of a grapefruit.
To me, controlling inflammation is more about what you don’t eat then what you do eat. So a better starting point and overall strategy is to eliminate some of the pro-inflammatory foods that have become the norm in modern day diets, rather than searching for miracle anti-inflammatory compounds.
The easiest way to do that is to use Paleo nutrition as your base (again, great theoretical instructional tool, but not meant to be dogmatic creed).
So eliminate pro-inflammatory foods like sugar, high fructose corn syrup, high omega-6 vegetable oils, most cereal grains, and to stir up some controversy — dairy foods (which I believe can be one of the most inflammatory foods for some). That alone will make a huge difference for most chronically inflamed people.
From there, we may need to look at our protein sources. As I said, Gironda’s steak and eggs meal can be highly anabolic because of the pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid. But if trying to maximize the anti-inflammatory properties, we may need to lean more towards the anti-inflammatory EFA’s like EPA and DHA from fish.
If your overall inflammation is caused by insulin resistance, then we may need to take the carbs down somewhat until insulin resistance improves. Here’s why:
Contrary to what many believe, insulin itself is not pro-inflammatory, it is actually anti-inflammatory. Glucose, or more specifically glucose backed up in the bloodstream is what can be inflammatory.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17563472
So for a hard training athlete with good insulin sensitivity (and especially after training, fasting, or the combination of the two), a high-GI starch like Jasmine Rice is NOT problematic.
Insulin will do its job of clearing glucose and amino’s from the blood, deliver it to the starving and damaged muscle cells, and provide all of the anti-catabolic/anabolic benefits. This is Sport/Bodybuilding Nutrition 101.
However, for someone who has some degree of insulin resistance (due to being sedentary, fat, making poor food choices, etc.), a high-GI starch like Jasmine Rice, or any starch for that matter, can be problematic. This is really where Paleo Nutrition 101 and starch bashing is actually relevant/spot-on.
With insulin resistance, insulin is no longer doing its job of clearing glucose from the blood. Because of this, if you flood the body with glucose from starch, chances are it won’t get into the muscle cell, and will back up in the bloodstream. This is where you get chronic inflammation and disastrous health consequences.
A pure Paleo Diet without any starch may be the best call here until insulin resistance improves.
The diets of healthy athletes need to be different than someone suffering from a disease state. Makes total, perfect, common sense right?
JF: Yes it does. Well, my friend, that’s all I’ve got for you today. Thanks again for sharing this killer info with The Renegade Nation and for entertaining us along the way. If you want more incredible nutritional info be sure to check out Nate’s Fat Loss Consultant by clicking HERE.
NM: It was my pleasure. Thanks Jay.









10. Aug, 2012
at 10:04 am #
Well it’s obvious you know nothing, the girl with “bad genes” and a “slow thyroid” who’s stacking shelves in the supermarket, what she read in Women’s Weekly magazine pretty much against your information. Please can you get your facts correct and retract your heresy ;)
11. Aug, 2012
at 8:52 am #
I’m not mad at that girl, I feel bad for that girl. That’s exactly the type of person “fitness” and “health” and “holistic” experts prey upon. They sell them a bunch of sh*t they don’t need = miracle pills and magic “detox” plans, instead of educating them on the TRUTH.
28. Aug, 2012
at 6:01 pm #
Awesome advice, read parts 1, 2 and 3 and have found ways to improve my diet from all 3. Thanks!
Please could someone help me answer a quick question with regards to the Renegade diet?
I train pretty late (7pm) so should I extend the under-eating phase until after I hit the gym?
Or should I have one of my larger meals before I work out?
Does anyone have a similar problem and if so how do get around it?
Thanks again, keep up the good work.
10. Aug, 2012
at 10:18 am #
Thanks again, learned a lot. I like the part about daywalkers, but does this mean you put all your carbs (minus the fruit) on training day in one big evening meal? That would be almost 0.5 kilo of Jasmine Rice for example, epic meal time!
11. Aug, 2012
at 8:57 am #
That is a true statement my friend. Epic meal time for sure. We are meant to feast like beasts.
Y’all should join me at my house for dinner some time. You’d be surprised at what your little pal Miyaki can throw down. Kid Kobayashi is a pussy (although I’m not so much a fan of weiners so he could take me down in that contest).
But seriously man, when the muscle cells are empty and damaged from a day of fasting/lighter eating and training, they are ready to feed.
10. Aug, 2012
at 11:35 am #
DOPE !!
But, when bulking, i have to have carbs during the day (i workout at night) orelse i just wouldnt manage to eat so much in one sitting at night, but this is just me, i handle carbs well, it all depends on the person, but going totally paleo and intermitent fasting while trying to bulk only having starch at night is going to be a BIG challenge..
Congrats Nate and Jason for the awesome interview..
Keep it up !!
11. Aug, 2012
at 9:01 am #
Alex, I only have 2 rules:
1. Don’t be a douchebag, because the world is filled with too many already.
2. Dogma and creeds are for p*ssies, find your own way.
With that being said, I think the best structure is when the majority of cals/carbs are eaten at night. But what you do the rest of the day is a little more flexible.
So if it works better for you to include some carbs throughout the day given high calorie demands, do it. Functionality and results are what matter most.
11. Aug, 2012
at 9:10 am #
i workout at night and I do have most of my calories at night.. and it works wonders when cutting if i’m intermintent fasting and having a paleo lunch, but when bulking it is just too many calories in one sitting, i cant do it :)
So, i have a lot of carbs at lunch too and than i have a nap, because i feel lethargic after eating..
Then it takes me about 6 hours before i workout, so, im fasted again and feel great.
For someone who couldnt have a nap after lunch i wouldnt recomend this, it is just too difficuld to get back to work after a carb charged lunch..
Anyway, awesome articles Nate, the working out fasted, having less meals per day, carb loading at night, intermitent fasting and catabolic/anabolic rebound are pure gems that it took me a lot of years to learn and that you put out here for free..
Nice work man, keep it up !!
10. Aug, 2012
at 1:58 pm #
Nate,
I know in the past you have recommended a post workout ratio of 1:1 to 1:2 for protein and carbs respectively when working out earlier in the day, with those carbs coming from white or sweet potatoes. Was just wondering if you still recommend this, or is sticking to fruit the better option? Also, what kind of fruit would be best, if it matters?
13. Aug, 2012
at 12:13 pm #
Yeah dude, I think either can work. I know that’s NOT the best answer for those who crave one inflexible “system” to cling to (not saying this is you, just a commentary on the industry), but its the truth. But let me see if I can clarify.
I would say the “core” of my overall approach is to eat the majority of calories/carbs at night. What you do the rest of the day is a little more flexible, and largely comes down to personal preference, biofeedback, etc.
As I was starting to work with more people, what I was finding was that for a good percentage, starch was leading to rebound hypoglycemia and some fatigue, brain fog, blood sugar-induced food cravings, etc. Hence, the switch to fruit during the day = quick glycogen restorations without the insulin spike.
But either can work. Test, assess, and role with what works better. I hope that makes sense, helps you out, and so forth…
10. Aug, 2012
at 3:09 pm #
LOL! Killer interview.
You should get Martin Berkhan and then just take over the whole entire world.
13. Aug, 2012
at 12:16 pm #
Martin’s passion, dedication to his craft, and unwillingness to compromise in the face of adversity and criticism are admirable, and certainly have benefited us all. It would be an honor to stand alongside him in battle, or, just eat a cheesecake with him.
14. Aug, 2012
at 4:35 pm #
…or protein fluff
10. Aug, 2012
at 4:57 pm #
Jason and Nate,
How would you alter the Renegade or leangains diet for men with physical jobs? When I eat lunch I become lethargic. If I follow the Renegade diet I power thru the day and feel great. I train in the evening and than eat huge. It’s working but are there any other recommendations for the morning during the fast – BCAA’s etc?
Thanks
Mike
11. Aug, 2012
at 9:19 am #
What like porn actors?
Well, I think you answered your own question. One way you feel lethargic, one way you feel great. Follow the Renegade.
Like I said above, I think the core principle is to eat the majority of calories and carbs at night. What you do during the rest of the day is flexible. Lean Gains, Warrior Diet, Renegade, even a traditional (beaver) spread, it can all work. What’s the most practical, functional, and effective for you?
Dude, I’m probably not the guy to ask about supplement protocols. Its just not my area of expertise. If you eat all of your protein in one sitting at night (1g/lb), you’ll have plenty of amino’s in your bloodstream all throughout the next day, so I don’t see why additional BCAA’s would be necessary for anti-catabolic purposes or whatever, but that’s just me.
I know we should not learn everything from bodybuilders, but that dude Serge Nubret, he was way ahead of his time with the 1-2 meals a day (or behind the times, which is probably a better approach with this overcomplicated and fluff-filled industry).
11. Aug, 2012
at 1:16 am #
Great series guys,
appreciate all the information coming through the website and Twitter,
James
13. Aug, 2012
at 12:17 pm #
Right on brother, I appreciate that you appreciate it.
11. Aug, 2012
at 2:55 am #
I have been gluten-free (eating basically Paleo style) for the past 3 years, since I did genetic testing and found out I was gluten intolerant. I work out strenuously with heavy weights (ok, maybe just heavy for me, but you get the idea) three times a week, in the evening.
Reading these three articles was making me feel like I could add some Jasmine rice back into my evening meal . . . until we got to the part about inflammation. Despite the Paleo diet, things are not all perfect down there in my intestines . . . so, damn, rice or no rice, I’m confused!
13. Aug, 2012
at 12:31 pm #
Well, its confusing because there is no one right answer or Universal system (sorry, that’s a re-occurring theme with me), despite how some of the guru’s come off.
My best advice is to take some accountability, stop looking for THE perfect system to try and twist and fit into (even what I’m recommending), self-experiment, and find what works the best for YOU. This is the only true Way to find the most effective plan for you personally.
How do you do that regarding this topic? Well, I think all things being equal (meaning no known medical condition), strength trainers DO benefit from some starch post-workout. Jasmine rice is one of the easiest digested starches out there (whereas most other carb sources — gluten being one that you personally discovered, but things like oats and other cereal grains as well — can be problematic, thus giving the carb in general a bad name).
Try having some Jasmine rice post-workout with no other change in dietary modification for a week. Assess how you feel and look, etc. Good, you have your answer. Bad, maybe try potatoes the next week, sweet potatoes the next week, etc., until you land on something optimal.
The thing I can do (because of having the experience of working with thousands of people) is give you what I feel is a good starting point. And my experience is the japanese-style template for carb sources works best for most — white rice and root vegetables (potatoes, sweet potatoes, yams, squash, taro, etc.).
I hope that helps motivate rather than offend, and gets you to where you want to go.
11. Aug, 2012
at 8:50 am #
Epic trilogy!! This has been helpful in so many ways guys. THANKS FOR EVERYTHING NATE AND JAY. Post workout nutrition has always been a controversial topic but this has set it straight.
11. Aug, 2012
at 9:24 am #
Was it Austin Powers-style epic? That would be huge.
Dude, post-workout has and always will be a debatable topic. And I get where the “chalkboard physiology” dudes are coming from, but I’m more interested in real-world practicality.
If you live in the gym and can take a nap after your PWO meal, that’s one thing. But my guys who have cognitively demanding jobs can’t have that rebound hypoglycemia brain fog/lack of productivity. Nor can I. The protein fruit combo works well for many.
And so it is my friend. Whatever works given your unique situation and goals is the “best” Way.
11. Aug, 2012
at 6:35 pm #
Great series guys. Valuable knowledge bombs all round.
Thanks.
13. Aug, 2012
at 12:34 pm #
It was my pleasure and honor to be welcomed into the Renegade Nation. Thanks for having me.
14. Aug, 2012
at 3:54 am #
Great series of articles Nate. I’ve followed your stuff from Tnation and its great to see you share this platform too.
I’ve been following your principles (and using the Renegade Diet) with fantastic success.
I’ve been moving many of my clients closer towards this style of eating. However this week I’ve taken on a type 1- diabetic client.
What recommendations would you make regarding this condition? How would your principles apply / change based on type 1 diabetes?
Thanks Nate
25. Sep, 2012
at 11:21 am #
Hi Justin, I’m a T1 diabetic and 2 days into the RD, but seriously struggling to hit my calories in the feast phase. Plus, eating that much carbs is a crazy bolus and both mornings so far I’ve woken up high. My goal is 2800 calories p/d, with muscle gains as my goal.. Would be very interested in your findings with your T1D client!
13. Aug, 2012
at 3:59 pm #
How would you eat 500 grams of carbs a day? I hate eating a lot throughout the day, but my sports performance has been suffering because of lack of calories and carbs. If I were to eat 3 meals a day, should I eat 2 meals of 150 grams of carbs and one of 200, or should I go low carb throughout the day and try to get 400 grams postworkout, sounds like way too much. I am very active throughout the day, and I have tried big carb lunches and breakfast, which just end up making me feel very sleepy.
14. Aug, 2012
at 2:30 pm #
You touch on Jasmine rice being good what about about Basmati?? Every now and then I try different training plans or go to different websites but I always end up back here because it’s the Mecca for the truth and real training advice…well done
30. Oct, 2012
at 3:04 pm #
I’ve read a lot of Jason’s stuff and also wondered about why he always mentions Jasmin rice and never Basmati, and I think I found the answer. According to this website Jasmin has a glycemic index of 109 while Basmati only have an index of 58.
http://www.thekitchn.com/whats-the-difference-between-j-1-93814
14. Aug, 2012
at 5:30 pm #
“(b) If timed right, actually trigger growth hormone release.”
How ? Doesn’t carbs before sleeping blunt growth hormone release ?
16. Aug, 2012
at 11:24 pm #
I was very satisfied to search out this internet-site.I desired to thanks in your some time to energy for this amazing read!!
17. Aug, 2012
at 1:47 am #
Carbs are better placed at night, I can’t manage with them during the day, they give me an energy slump and I can’t be bothered training. When I switched to eating them post workout it was like I’d been given the boost I needed, loving the posts by the way :)
17. Aug, 2012
at 5:34 am #
Hey Jason!
Andy from Sweden here. I bought your book Muscle gaining secrets and loved it.
I am very serious in my goal to build maximum muscles, at the same time as i keep my body fat low. I keep my diet in check and for the most of the time i get my designated rest.
I would be grateful if i could get one question answered.
I play soccer 2/3 times a week(90 min, medium cardio).I’m doing phase3 MGS beginner.
Will the medium cardio disturb my muscle gaining or is it possible for me to still gain muscle weight?
Regards from Sweden
Andreas
22. Aug, 2012
at 9:57 am #
Great stuff, thanks!
Any ideas on how to deal with inflammation from Crohn’s disease, specifically?
23. Aug, 2012
at 1:49 am #
Nate, you are one sick son of B.
What would you recommend for post workout nutrition if you’re trying to maintain ketosis on a carb cycle?
Thanks,
Dave
06. Sep, 2012
at 8:48 pm #
Is it fine to eat oatmeal right after my morning work out, eat my large meal during the day (roughly around 3:30PM) and fast at night time?