Death of the Back Squat?!

deathofbacksquat Death of the Back Squat?!I’ve gotten a lot of questions the last few days about my opinion on Mike Boyle’s video claiming that the back squat is dead. Like I said, I don’t agree with everything Mike says. Nor do I agree with everything Alwyn  Cosgrove or Chad Waterbury say. But they are smart guys who know their shit. I learn something from each of them and I like a lot of what Mike has to say about warming up, rehabbing and staying injury proof. But I’m never just going to throw out what I know works based on one guys theories.

So here is my opinion on Mike’s claim that the back squat is dead …

Bullshit. Long live the back squat.

It’s a great exercise that is far from dead. We all know that the limiting factor in the back squat is not leg strength. Anyone who’s ever done a single set of leg presses has proven that to themselves. The limiting factor is the strength of the lower back, abs, obliques, etc. The whole core region goes way before the legs do.

So does that mean you should throw it out and instead only load guys with split squats and step ups? Of course not. When it comes to training economy you can’t beat the back squat. No single leg exercise will do what it does for you.

What about the squat not maximally overloading the legs? Invalid argument in my opinion. Squats load the legs while also training the entire abdominal/lower back region simultaneously. This builds real world, “functional” strength. You can’t get the same effect from pistols and split squats.

Furthermore, most single leg work is dangerous when done for low reps and will place far greater stress on your knees than the back squat will. A balls out, heavy triple on split squats is a hip flexor tear waiting to happen. A double on a step up seems a little risky to me. So out goes CNS stimulation and maximal strength work.

The back squat transfers greatly to running speed and jumping ability as has been demonstrated many times before. It trains the core more effectively than almost anything else, provides spinal loading and enhances your overall strength from head to toe. A step up doesn’t do that.

Now, that’s not to say there is no place for unilateral work, as you could easily throw it in after squatting. But it’s supplementary to squats, not in replace of. Many coaches argue that single leg work is necessary here because sports involve the transference of power from one leg to another, blah, blah, blah. That’s irrefutable but I’m not sure how much of an impact a few sets of split squats after your max effort squats are really having. I still use single leg exercises but I could easily make the argument that all you need to do is squat and go home. As long as you are also, jumping, running and doing agility work at some point during the week, you may not need much more than that in the weight room. And that’s not just a guess because I’ve done it with guys before.

Another thing to consider, if you train athletes for a living, is that many of them will be getting tested on the back squat when they report to camp. So even if you hate it you had better know how to coach it and get strong on it.

Finally, and of critical importance in my opinion, is that squats create a training atmosphere and an attitude that could never, ever be matched by single leg work. Imagine your guys knowing that every Wednesday was Max Effort lower body day and screaming, “YAY! We get to do a five rep max on split squats today! I can’t wait for that.”

I can imagine nothing worse. Guys love to squat. Most of the guys I have trained LIVE to squat. It’s a big, bad ass, fun exercise that you can pile plates on and get all fired up for with some smelling salts and head butts and just get fucking nuts. When guys squat heavy weights they excited. And when they do it all offseason they develop a chip on their shoulder and a “fuck you” attitude that makes them a force when they walk into camp.

This aint happening with lunges.

So it would suck for the atmosphere of your gym and your business and the guys would be missing out on countless benefits.

That’s why there’s not a shot in hell I’ll be cutting out back squats any time soon.

I suggest you follow suit.

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45 Comments so far


  1. Mandy
    24. Oct, 2009
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    Great advice J…i love back squats..they gave me that booty i have today! LMAO!


  2. Jerry Shreck
    24. Oct, 2009
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    I couldn’t agree with you more! The Back squat is king in my programming of my athletes.


  3. Mike Wilson
    24. Oct, 2009
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    Back squats made me a man, I will never turn my back on ‘em. Great article, I’d like to add that heavy back squats are a tremendous testosterone booster!


  4. Rob
    24. Oct, 2009
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    I am so glad that this was addressed. I was getting ready to write a post about this myself. Keep bringing the truth J, you’ll be hearing from me soon.


  5. Mike Scott, DPT
    24. Oct, 2009
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    J, I really enjoyed your opinion about Mike Boyle’s latest revelation. I do think that both the back squat and the split squat hold a place in any training program, especially to prevent injury on the field/court. Split squats are a little more relevant for my line of work, but a great back squat provides all the benefits that you listed off. Keep up the great work.

    Mike Scott, DPT
    http://twitter.com/mscottDPT


  6. Daniel
    24. Oct, 2009
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    Great defence.

    Would you rather use the single leg work for higher reps then?


  7. Seth Bronheim
    24. Oct, 2009
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    Hell yeah! There is nothing like loud music and BACK squatting in a small garage. I live for that. The atmosphere is insane and it is when I really feel “alive.” Great Post!


  8. Mike Cheliak
    25. Oct, 2009
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    Fantastic comments Jason…I really didn’t agree with Mike Boyle at all. While squats don’t JUST do the legs, they do everything. I feel great from my toes to my shoulders after squats! Squats and deadlifts are the cornerstone of any strength building program…always have been…always will be.


  9. Mark B.
    25. Oct, 2009
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    In being honest, I would say that I have no where near the intellectual capacity concerning training and fitness as you, Jay. However, I will add that after 3 ACL reconstructive surgeries on my knees (twice left knee, once right), back squats greatly improve the overall “feeling” in my legs. For some reason, which I’m sure you can explain, my knees feel better as I getter deeper into programs that involve back squats.
    And Jay, you talked about the “rush” of doing squats and the great pump it gives. Well, my “rush” comes from the fact that no one else in the entire gym uses the squat rack for reasons under the label of squat. That alone tells me something. That alone gives me a rush


  10. Mark Young
    25. Oct, 2009
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    Frankly, I tend to lean more towards the use of unilateral training than back squats, but I find it hard to argue with any of your points.

    Personally I tend to deal a lot within the realm of injury prevention/rehab so squatting isn’t as much a staple in my programming as it would be if performance were the main goal.

    However, to say “none of my clients squat” or “all of my clients squat” completely defies the idea that people need some degree of individualized programming. Also, to say that an athlete can’t succeed in a camp or sport without squatting would be untrue.

    I think the key here is not to completely demonize one method or the other, but to underscore the notion that being able to assess your clients/athletes is paramount.

    From there the correct exercise selection can follow.


  11. shawn
    25. Oct, 2009
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    I agree 100% and stated that when he posted his first article on T-Nation. I call bull shit. I love split squats don’t get me wrong, but there place is in unloading and recovery days not replacing heavy ass leg frying slap on the plates back squat days. As far as the back being a limiting factor …ummm ..isn’t that why its such a great exercise, it works the back functionally. Not too mention the safety issues of the hip being placed at midline to maintain balance under the COG…has anyone even considered that, c’mon can we say hip injury?

    If something is weak TRAIN IT!!!


  12. Eskow
    25. Oct, 2009
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    Squats are the shit


  13. BobW
    26. Oct, 2009
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    Shut up & Squat!


  14. Lame-R
    26. Oct, 2009
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    My lower back starts to bother me if I don’t do squats or deadlifts. I can’t ride my bike or slouch in my chair at work without it griefing me. Pull-thru’s and good am’s also take care of it, but they are nowhere near as fun as a heavy back squat.

    In “The Weightlifting Encyclopedia”, Artie Drechsler quotes one of the Bulgarian lifters as saying the squat is the basis for life as we know it. If you’re in the iron game, I think that about sums it up.


  15. jorn
    26. Oct, 2009
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    This is one of the most fundamental exercises.


  16. Andrew
    26. Oct, 2009
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    Lets be realistic the only sport an ‘athlete’ could get away without doing some variation of a squat [back squat or bench squat] and succeed is bowling. I appologize to those bowlers out there…it’s a good way to break the ice on a first date. But could you imagine NFL players showing up at camp without doing squats…? Might as well just sign a couple pop warner players to 20-30 million dollar contracts.

    I wonder if these trainers ever question why their clients are only weekend warriors…


  17. Mike T Nelson
    27. Oct, 2009
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    Good one! I tend to agree with you and the exercise needs to be ATHLETE dependent.

    If an athlete can squat in good form, no pain, and their movement is not affected, go crazy. If not, I would still work to get them to do squats and not just throw out that movement.

    Correct as always on attitude and environment. Very under rated.

    Keep up the great work!

    Rock on
    Mike T Nelson PhD(c)


  18. Dennis
    27. Oct, 2009
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    Although I don’t perform them anymore, back squats were one of my favorites back in my bodybuilding days. There is no better lift for adding mass to your entire body.


  19. Odi
    27. Oct, 2009
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    I agree with Mike B, no one in my gym uses the back squat rack for this exercise or if they do they do it half way down and with cushion pads, not using them makes people stare at me skinny guy XD.
    If I’m not able to squat properly I feel immediately that I haven’t trained my core in the right way.


  20. jasonferruggia
    27. Oct, 2009
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    Mandy,
    That’s the best argument I’ve heard yet ;)

    Mark B.,
    My “intellectual capacity” is rarely praised, and rightfully so. But I do thank you.

    Lame-R,
    I love that quote. So true.


  21. Kelly M
    27. Oct, 2009
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    I think that any athlete, that doesn’t squat, in spite of the fact that they may succeed in camp, would benefit more if they did. A good athlete, would become a great one. I don’t think the back squat, in the context of this article, implies that EVERYONE should squat. I think it’s more that those that can, should. I think it’s implied that if you can’t, then likely you shouldn’t. I don’t think there are two methods to getting big and strong. Unilateral exercises don’t compare. They have their place, but if you can do both, there is simply no choice. Back squat. Hands down.


  22. jasonferruggia
    27. Oct, 2009
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    Kelly,
    Exactly.

    Thanks for all the comments, guys. Keep ‘em coming.


  23. Spida Hunter
    27. Oct, 2009
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    I posted this on my FB page:

    “As I see it, people need to “mature” their own Ego, we all got
    one that serves us and gets us in the shit!! Fitness Industry’s ego is
    slightly more immature due to being closely related to physique
    etc….. I believe Michael Boyle is “right” in certain situations & I
    believe Back Squats are “right” in other situations…. it’s up
    to us “maturing” our ego to see when which one will serve the situation or not serve the situation!!”

    The argument to me of Back Squats are WRONG vs RIGHT is for fuckers who like to live in black & white box!

    Jason uses them both and he “leans” towards back squats, as I do, but this doesn’t make Mike Boyle wrong!! Okay, it’s only been a week and I’m over the right/wrong of this…..

    Let’s find another topic, abs in or out, shit that’s done. Below parallel on squats, shit done too…. I know how about machines are bad, yip that’s it. I think machines are bad for you and you should NOT do them or your dick will drop off!


  24. Tyler English
    27. Oct, 2009
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    Jay,

    Couldn’t agree more brother! I understand Mike’s point and agree with a lot of his work but there is no movement like the SQUAT!

    Shit I LIVE to squat! It’s what has given me my Quadzilla’s! 20 reps!

    It is the reason as a 5’9″ White Dude I can perform 48″ Tire Jumps with ease and hang on a basketball rim!

    Best Thing I ever read that changed my leg training FOREVER!

    THE SQUAT

    By: Dale Clark

    Down this road, in a gym far away,
    a young man was heard to say,
    “no matter what i do, my legs won’t grow”
    he tried leg extensions, leg curls, and leg presses , too
    trying to cheat, these sissy workouts he’d do.

    from the corner of the gym where the big men train,
    through a cloud of chalk and the midst of pain
    where the noise is made with big forty fives,
    a deep voice bellowed as he wrapped his knees.
    a very big man with legs like trees.

    laughing as he snatched another plate from the stack
    chalking his hands and monstrous back,
    said, “boy, stop lying and don’t say you’ve forgotten,
    the trouble with you is you ain’t been SQUATTIN’. ”

    KEEP SQUATTIN!

    Tyler


  25. jasonferruggia
    27. Oct, 2009
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    Spida,
    Good points, as always. I agree with much of what you say but still say that any time someone makes the blanket statement that back squats suck they are wrong, in my opinion, for all the reasons I pointed out above. Dead wrong.

    Tyler,
    I have that up on the gym wall. Love it.


  26. Gary Deagle
    27. Oct, 2009
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    I cant wait to do some heavy back squats tomorrow!


  27. FLiP
    27. Oct, 2009
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    If lifting heavy weights for partial [squats] were of any benefit for sports, Gold’s Gym would be fielding the majority of the 2008 Olympic team. – Mark Rippetoe

    ——————————————————————————-


  28. Spida Hunter
    27. Oct, 2009
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    Jason, I agree with you for sure on blanket statements. I will need to listen to the 5min clip again to hear him say they are DEAD WRONG….. and if he did say it, then I would dismiss it because like Mike does (like you and although I’m trying to do less of) is go to the extreme at the begining and say fuck you world……. and then over time mature our thoughts into the middle somewhere or some how!

    I’m just saying why not “mature” them from the start rather then throw statements out there to piss people off, however looking at it…..he is creating the heard to think. Think away people just remember to not throw the baby out with the bath water!!


  29. Zach Even - Esh
    28. Oct, 2009
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    hells yea, son!!! he he he

    U lay the law down on dem squats!

    There is something about them, spiritually and physically – as you said.

    BUT….my favorite is a story from waaaaaay back when I was a high school kid, and I read Arnold’s ‘Education of a Bodybuilder’ about 500 times through my 4 years!

    Arnold would talk of his excursions to the woods with a training partner and a 250 lb barbell.

    He and his partner would squat for up to 50 sets until they could NO longer stand, let alone squat.

    Afterwards Arnold and his partner would grill chicken over a fire, drink wine and have some “lady festivities”

    Ya see that Bruddah, Arnold was teaching me “cool” long before you tried to, ha ha

    And of course, I LOVE THIS VIDEO….

    I will squat today :)

    Peace!!

    –Z–


  30. Vic Magary - GymJunkies
    28. Oct, 2009
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    LONG LIVE THE BACK SQUAT.


  31. jasonferruggia
    28. Oct, 2009
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    Zach,
    I used to love that story too.

    Vic,
    Exactly…


  32. On a limb with Claudia
    28. Oct, 2009
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    I like that you focus on the whole body effect of squats. I mean really, why do we have to ‘isolate’ every muscle? Aren’t we working to be fit and strong? Isn’t that a whole body thing?

    The whole body effect of back squats (and front squats btw) is powerful.

    And once again, this is a great article.

    … I can’t believe Zack brought up Arnold’s ‘lady festivities.’ I never really got that – two guys go into the woods, workout until they can’t walk, then have ‘lady festivities?’ What am I missing here….? ;)


  33. Ryan
    28. Oct, 2009
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    wow…i always learn something new everytime i come here.

    great article jason…i know of a few people who are anti-squat who will see this link in their inboxes in the next couple of hours…


  34. Adam
    29. Oct, 2009
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    If there was one and only one exercise I had to choose to do 4 days a week and nothing else, it would be squats. Squats and sprints are without a doubt, something I ALWAYS look forward to and enjoy most. And what do you know, since I started doing them both, I’ve seen my body transform in ways I never thought was possible. Amen

    Long live squats.

    Keep it up Jay!


  35. Thomas J
    29. Oct, 2009
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    Hi,
    I do squat and found it as a great exercise, but I also heard some dangerous points.
    1) Someone told me that I my legs should be slightly bend when I am in the top position otherwise my kneecaps get hurt.
    Is there any truth about it?

    2) Squatting to a parallel is bad for my hamstrings. These are due to this underdeveloped so it is better to do full squats.
    Again, any positives or negatives againts this?

    Thanks a lot for comments,
    Thomas J


  36. Kelly M
    29. Oct, 2009
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    I usually don’t post twice, but squats, for total body, functional strength, in conjunction with deadlifts, makes for a really simple plan. I’ve done all other leg schemes, like lunges, leg extensions, leg press…etc. Not until you have to push a car out of a snowbank, do you know the value of squat and deadlift power. I live in the Canadian prairies and our winters suck. But I can tell when I haven’t been squatting, because I feel ‘less’. And squatting below parallel. I have a left knee that grinds and crunches and squatting below parallel doesn’t bother it. At 39, and having lived a fairly active adult life, there are certain aches and pains that are there. Not debilitating, but they are a badge of honor in a way, that I know I have earned from spending time under heavy weight, odd objects. I assume I will earn many more aches and pains in the years to come. But squatting correctly and low. Nothing will get the results like squats. No lunge, split squats, leg extensions.. will make anyone as bid and powerful as a good squat.


  37. Jeremy
    30. Oct, 2009
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    J,

    Great article! Thanks for all your insight.

    I have one question…I keep hearing so much mixed info about squats (and deads, for that matter) being bad for your lower back. My Chiropractor et. al. says his largest number of clients come from those who do squats and deads. On the other hand, I hear that back problems from those lifts are caused from weakness etc. What are your thoughts??? I have a bad lower back and I am not sure whether to continue the squats/deads or to listen to my Chiro.

    Your thoughts are greatly appreciated!

    Jeremy


  38. Chris
    03. Nov, 2009
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    Hey Jason,

    For someone who has put on a little strength and been training over a year, how often do you switch between back squats and something like a box/front/safety squat?

    I switched to box squatting recently for an eight week phase and got stronger on it, but I lost considerable strength on my standard squat.

    I would like to hear your opinion.

    Thanks

    -Chris


  39. JP
    03. Nov, 2009
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    I agree with most of what Jason says in this article. I love the intensity and whole body training effect of back squats, and there’s no way they’re dropping out of my program. The only thing I’m not sure about is his statement that “the limiting factor in the back squat is not leg strength.” In my experience, if I’m focusing on perfect form the legs are the limiting factor. However, if I allow my hips to rise early and the torso to incline forward, I can shift some of the work from the legs to the back and get the legs through their sticking point, and then finish the lift with the back. When I do that I can lift more weight, but the back does become more of a limiting factor. But when I’m lifting 90% of my max with the same form I used on the warmup sets, back strength is never really the problem, it’s leg strength. The thing is, when the set becomes difficult, I can compensate with my back and still complete several extra reps. Eventually there is a point where I can still get through the legs’ sticking point by compensating with the back, but the back is not strong enough to finish the lift from this poor mechanical position. But the reason I got into that position in the first place was because my legs weren’t strong enough to drive through their sticking point, not because the back was weak. Either way, this doesn’t really change the bottom line: you gotta learn to love squats. Nothing worthwhile is easy…


  40. Kelly M
    04. Nov, 2009
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    I have always done core work, in one form or another, so I have never had a problem with the core giving way. I think my form is decent as well. What I see around the corporate gyms that I occasionally train in, are many guys that don’t squat or do much back work. I see guy my age and older, doing alot of treadmill, cycling, yoga…etc. But noone seems to do ANY power work, let along any of the big barbell lifts. I can see why many people’s cores give out though. And the squats I do see, I haven’t yet seen anyone break parallel. Not even the younger, stronger guys, with big arms. Can’t say I’ve seen any deadlifts either, in the 7 years I have been around the corporate gym environment. Closest thing to a power rack is a smith machine. Although, I did forward a request to get a real power rack and the guy I spoke with is an older strength guy, who understands how to build strength. Out of the hundreds of guys I have seen train, it is this ONE guy, who is pushing 50, who actually uses DB’s heavier that 40′s in more than his favourite lifts, understands the word ‘Heavy’. I can see why so many new programs produce reasonably athletic, yet seemingly lacking any real strength. That would be perfectly understandable why a person’s core would give out first in the back squat. I mean no disrespect in saying this, but anyone who says the squat is not a lower body exercise, has not done them correctly or long enough to know what they can truly do for you. Again, see how unilateral leg exercises helps you when you have to push a car out of a snowbank or carry a washing machine.


  41. Sam Visnic
    04. Nov, 2009
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    I quote a great video:

    1. “If you don’t squat, then you are a pussy.”
    2. “Can squats cure cancer? Yes.”

    End of story.


  42. jasonferruggia
    07. Nov, 2009
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    Claudia, it’s a guy thing, I think.

    Thomas, 1) No 2) Squat as low as you can with perfect form.

    Kelly M, good stuff.

    Jeremy, any exercise done incorrectly is dangerous. Squats and deads done incorrectly are very dangerous. I don’t know how bad your back is. Even with text book form these exercises may be too much for you. Tough to assess from here.

    Chris, you can’t abandon regular back squats for that long or you will lose all your strength. You must keep them in the rotation, perhaps on an every other week basis. The longest I would leave them for would be four weeks. Of course, once a year you might want to do a total deload and let your spine rest. Then you could do no squatting for 8-12 weeks if you really wanted. But if you want your numbers to stay up you can’t abandon them for too long.

    Sam, gotta love Rip


  43. Ollie Chapman
    15. Nov, 2009
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    Great article, I coudn’t agree more. Lets face it, back squats are multi joint, multi muscle from the massive work in the scapula retraction to huge stresses on the central nervous sytem. Show me a one legged exercise that does the same.


  44. jasonferruggia
    18. Nov, 2009
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    Ollie,
    There isn’t one.


  45. Hameed Bhatti
    27. Apr, 2010
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    I started the 3XM program 3 weeks ago and I miss not doing squats in the 1st Phase………….

    Can you remind me again why there are no squats in the 1st phase? Is it simply to get in the 1 leg work that strengthen the core muscles in order to get better at the squat? This would make sense since the core muscles give out before your leg strength gives out on the squat.

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