Deadly Combination For Size & Strength


Deadlycombo4size1 Deadly Combination For Size & StrengthQuestion: I’ve read that the best way to get bigger and stronger is to train exclusively in the 8-12 range like bodybuilders. Then I turn around and someone is telling me that I should go heavy and only train in the 1-5 rep range for the best gains in size and strength. So which one is it?

Answer: Before I answer your question I have to preface it with the fact that beginners should always stick with basic programs and reps in the 5-8 range. Nothing higher than 8, and nothing lower than 5. Do that for at least a year or two and then you can move on to the more advanced concepts discussed below…

Sets of 8-12 have worked wonders for many a bodybuilder to not only pack on size but develop some serious strength as well. And there are plenty of jacked Olympic lifters who do nothing but sets in the 1-5 rep range. Both work.

Personally, my favorite way to train is to always include a variety of rep ranges in each and every workout. That also ends up being what I do with a large number of people I write size and strength programs for as well as they also seem to enjoy that the most.

This usually means starting with heavier weights and lower reps and then pumping up the muscle with some higher rep back off sets/ assistance work. It’s really not dramatically different from what they do at Westside or in other powerlifting gyms.

Some people call it powerbuilding. For me it just feels right. It’s the way I’ve trained for as long as I can remember. If I don’t work up to something heavy I feel cheated. And if I don’t get some sort of pump I don’t feel fully satisfied with the workout. We all remember what Arnold said…

Back in the day my heavy sets used to be in the 1-3 range. Nowadays I keep them in the 5-6 range. That’s enough for me. One or two, and at the most- three exercises per week, get hit hard and heavy, everything else is at or above eight reps.

If you’re over 35 and have been in the game for a while I would recommend that you also keep your heaviest sets at five reps or higher. In fact, for safety and longevity, I’d probably recommend that those north of 35 keep the majority of their sets at eight reps and above. There’s no good reason to go heavier than that on a regular basis. And if you have trained properly over the years and built up some decent strength levels you can get more out of higher reps than weak beginners and don’t need to train with exclusively low reps to get strong anymore.

Some of you may have heard that “there is an inverse relationship between training age (the number of years you have trained) and average number of reps used.” That’s true. But it’s the opposite of what most people were led to believe. The longer you have been training the higher your average number of reps should be; not lower. That’s why Jim Wendler’s periodization system is working out so well for advanced lifters; the money set ends up being a somewhat higher rep set a lot of the time.

I wrote this several years ago and a lot of people didn’t get it. Maybe it takes experience to get it. Or for older guys like Dan John or stronger guys like Dave Tate to say the same thing for people to understand it. But get strong or train long enough and you’ll get it too.

Too much heavy, low rep training tends to beat you up and burn you out.

Years back, over a few beers, Jim Wendler and I were discussing training and he said, “Dude, it’s so f*cking easy. You do singles for strength and 10’s for size.”

I agreed at the time, but with experience the two of us have changed our minds and have come to realize that you don’t necessarily need to do singles to get strong.

If you look at the training of guys like Kaz and “Captain” Kirk Karwoski you’ll see that they never did anoverabundance of work in the 1-3 rep range.


According to Kaz, “Primarily you need to divorce yourself from a preoccupation with maximal weights, be it singles or low repetitions, where weight and not work is the motivator. Continually testing yourself with maximal poundages is a self indulgent step into staleness, slow gains and discouragement.”

Kaz followed a 14 week periodization scheme where only during the last 4 weeks before a meet didhe drop his sets down into the three rep range, never doing singles once. Assistance work was always kept in the 8-12 range. For skinny hardgainers I prefer a 6-10 rep range, with ten being the extreme high end of the spectrum.

Powerlifter, Jason Pegg, told me that “regularly scheduled, low rep, max effort work is f*cking stupid.”

Now, neither Jason nor I intend any disrespect to the Westside method. Long time readers will know that I am a huge fan. For those guys, that is their sport. They need to practice doing singles. The rest of us do not. Doing so will most likely lead to a shortened, injury riddled lifting career.

Longevity, my friends… Always think longevity. I still want to be training hard when I’m 70 or 80. So keep the long term, big picture in mind.

Back to the concept of mixing rep ranges in the same program. As I stated, this is my favorite way to train and the most satisfying for me.

In Vince Gironda’s book, The Wild Physique, he recalls the training of legends, Bill Pearl and Reg Park…

“Bill Pearl and Reg Park ‘mixed up’ their training to afford maximum results. They would perform each exercise using both heavy and light weights. For example, they would perform 3-4 sets with a heavy weight and low reps, and then finish off with 2-3 sets of higher reps with a lighter weight.”

This is very similar to many of the programs I write for clients looking to pack on size and strength rapidly.

Gironda continues, “I remember studying Reg Park’s physique when he was doing power training. He was doing 5 sets of 5 reps. His physique looked thick. Obviously, he had maximized his muscle fiber size. Park then went to South Africa and followed a system of 10-rep exercises. The appearance of his muscle changed because the capillary count looked higher, but the thickness appeared to suffer fractionally. A few years later, Park mixed up his training and his physique reached its ultimate potential. He had both cross sectional thickness and muscle height. He looked superb!”

I also use a heavy/light system where one upper and one lower body day per week are heavy and the other two days are light. That works quite well and gives the body a break from heavy lifting. The lighter days are sort of active recovery days. Another way to think of it is one size day and one strength day.

This is also how many of the old time greats trained. There are pros and cons to both but you can’t go wrong with either system; hit some 5’s for strength and some sets of 8-10 for size.

Now, if you were interested in doing an accumulation and intensification type of periodization scheme you could do higher reps for a month followed by lower reps for a month. That always works quite well. Especially with intermediate level lifters who still need to follow very rigid guidelines.

Personally I would hate to have to do nothing but low reps or only do high reps for a month straight. I need and love the combination of both. But that’s not to say you couldn’t do two separate phases. You could do one phase of 6-8 for strength work and 9-12 for hypertrophy followed by a month of 4-6 and 8-10. In the first phase you could do more sets and use less rest between sets. You could also train four days per week on Phase 1 and three days per week on Phase 2 to further enhance the supercompensation effect; but you don’t have to. Either way that’s getting off on to a whole different topic that we’ll save for another time.

The most successful bodybuilders and physical culturists almost always use a variety of rep ranges. When you do that you stimulate all of the available muscle fibers. Heavy training is great and will produce most of your long lasting size gains and give you that solid, dense look. But you will never fully maximize your growth potential on low reps alone. You will be strong but probably won’t get as big as you possibly could be. If you want to really finish your physique and top it off with some extra mass you need the pump stuff (8-12, and occasionally 15-20 for lower body and/or advanced lifters) too.

That’s the deadly combination for creating some seriously jacked, strong ass, mofo’s.

Please leave your questions and comments below.

The Renegade Diet

25 Comments so far


  1. Chris S
    25. Oct, 2010
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    Jay,

    This is one of your best. As an intermediate lifter, all of this stuff is a great help to my understanding of the long term training process.

    This quote is right on the money:

    “Longevity, my friends… Always think longevity. I still want to be training hard when I’m 70 or 80. So keep the long term, big picture in mind.”

    This is so important! At 24 my training is better than than ever but my main focus is being strong and healthy for the long run. I can’t live without this shit, and I want to do it for another 50+ years.

    I would love to hear more about how you cycle your weights and intensities throughout a year or two to keep bringing your big lifts up without getting stuck or too burnt out. I am now in a phase of my training where I’m way stronger than I have ever been and I want to keep driving towards my 5 year goals that I established when I first started your programs two years ago.

    Keep up the great work!

    -Chris


  2. Mark W
    25. Oct, 2010
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    Longevity: “I still want to be training hard when I’m 70 or 80.”

    Well, Jay, I’m there – I’m 60 years old. I’m currently in Phase 2 of Muscle Gaining Secrets. Should I be altering the reps and sets? What should I be doing differently?


  3. Rajat
    25. Oct, 2010
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    Hi Jason
    I want to know your thoughts on Pete Sisco’s static contraction training??..


  4. DiscoStew
    25. Oct, 2010
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    Jason, I’ve been training for about two years and have, from the beginning, used different rep ranges. In this regard, I have a question for you regarding exercise order.

    Let’s say I’m going to do an upper-body workout: two chest exercises (one heavy, one light); two back exercises (one heavy, one light); two shoulder exercises (one heavy, one light). Does the order in which the exercises are done make any difference (see below)? If so, what exercise order do you recommend?

    eg

    Option A
    Heavy Chest -> Heavy Back -> Heavy Shoulder
    Light Chest -> Light Back -> Light Shoulder

    Option B
    Heavy Chest -> Light Chest
    Heavy Back -> Light Back
    Heavy Shoulder -> Light Shoulder

    ds


  5. Cruize
    25. Oct, 2010
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    What a brilliant read…thank you! Was having this exact conversation with my training partner today about rep ranges for certain goals in relation to how experienced a lifter you are….and you’ve just laid it down right there!

    One aspect of training I don’t hear talked about much though is how to train effectively when you have a random work pattern and therefore sleep pattern ie I work early mornings and then could be working late nights the following day….how can I get the best results for my efforts when my body clock is messed with so much? Any ideas :s

    Many thanks for the great info…AGAIN!

    Cruize


  6. volquartsen
    25. Oct, 2010
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    Another great article. I always find articles such as this very interesting now that I am 35 and have to start look at stuff a little differently in regards to longevity. I think that is one reason I have found the deload weeks so useful in the TTM – gives the body and mind a chance to recover.


  7. Raymond - ZenMyFitness
    25. Oct, 2010
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    Great you spoke about what you should lift when over 35s (I’m 47) I never felt fantastic trying to put on heaviest loads at low reps but I seemed to get more out of lifting in that 6-10 range.
    Excellent guide on rep ranges I’ll certainly be following that in the future .. the heavy / light in one week sounds perfect.
    Raymond


  8. Scott Shearer
    25. Oct, 2010
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    Undulated Periodization. Nice one Jason!


  9. David Maswary
    25. Oct, 2010
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    I’m an MMA fighter, I need size and strength and conditioning. I’m already very strong, at a bodyweight of 220 I benched 460. I need to drop to 93 kg and then around 88 to stay in my division. My advantage has ALWAYS been that I am an extremely technical fighter and very strong as well.

    As of right now I’m using a sort of modified Westside program. I will train with weights about 3-4 days a week, depending on the intensity of training. I like Westside’s philosphy of training the back (at different angles) 4x a week. It works for me. I use bands and chains on bench – or upper body day’s with the theory that if I just make my upper body stronger, the strength will help overall. I modify because I do one set of high reps for mass and I add in a lot of one armed lifts and exercises that Westside wouldn’t really use (kettlebell’s, farmer’s walks, cleans etc….) about 2-3 weeks before a fight, when I am strong and big as possible I switch to pure endurance work in circuits of the time I will be fighting. For Jiu Jitsu – 8 minutes. For MMA, sets of 5 minutes. I also like to add in sprints whenever possible. I feel that they ad overall explosion and power and I do a fair share of bodyweight exercise on weight days (un-westside-like)

    What do you think of that routine? What should I change? I rely heavily on my strenght and power mixed with very meticulous technique to hold me over and the muscle mass I feel protects me from injury somewhat (big lats absorb kicks etc…..)

    I’m happy to hear any and all opinions and criticisms, I am always open to learn.

    Thanks in advance.


  10. Mike (Panther Fitness)
    25. Oct, 2010
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    Very interesting reading great advice, will use some of this advice with my clients. Great work!!


  11. Marky Mark
    25. Oct, 2010
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    Jason, for a someone who is getting their career started in PT which cert would be better to get the ball rolling, ACE or ACSM? I understand that CSCS is probably the gold standard but probably too much to take on for me at this early stage. The CSCS would most likely be my next CERT.


  12. Rick
    25. Oct, 2010
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    PERFECT TIMING! Thanks a million Jay!


  13. David Maswary
    25. Oct, 2010
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    I’ve heard good things about ISSA and NSCA. In marketing terms Zach Evan-esh’s cert is great for your career and some unconventional but awesome results. His training methods are great. If Jason has a cert think that would help too, obviously as he is exceptional. If he offers a cert I would jump on top of it. Ace is considered the bare minimum as far as I know to in conventional gyms and most gyms require ACE and will accept it if you want to do personal trainer work. I am not really an expert on the subject, but in the personal training business a cert is something that tells a gym that you are legally apt to train clients. What gyms really want IMO is people who can bring in money or can offer something in terms of selling the gym’s image.

    The certification that Zach , Jason (if he has one) and others will do FAR more to connect you into a tremendous business network and Zach and Joe De Franco both have fantastic business courses on succeeding as a personal trainer. What really counts in the business is your own training methods, staying up-to-date on what really works and not falling for fitness fads (HIT, non-stop circuits etc…) and a strong business network and courses on how to market yourself will carry you farther than anything else.

    A good example is the blog you are on. Jason Ferrugia, I am sure has plenty of certifications. People follow him because he practices what he preaches, he researches all the time, he has a distinctive personality and writing voice and maintains a great relationship with his clients and fans and most importantly – he takes initiative and is established in a great network of like-minded trainers. I’ve noticed that all of the successful trainers have that similiar personality an drive. Their is a sea change going on in the fitness industry. Great cert’s ALWAYS help, but marketing yourself and being a great trainer are the keys to success

    Don’t underestimate your capacity for the CSCS, if you have the ambition and desire the pieces will fall into place. Their is no substitute for ambition and drive and it sounds like you have plenty, I am making a prediction right now – if you take the intiative – you WILL succeed.

    good luck

    Dave


  14. Nelson
    25. Oct, 2010
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    What about doing high rep bodyweight stuff? everything I have learned goes against doing high reps with weights, not including death sets. I am a 112 lb wrestler and a junior in hs, so what if I don’t want size, just strength?


  15. Ken Okada
    25. Oct, 2010
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    I have been following your material religiously for a while now, Mr. Ferruggia, and it’s all phenomenal. One thing I have always been confused about is what really classifies someone as a beginner or as an intermediate, etc. Is it usually by their strength levels or simply their exposure to proper training? For example, I’ve been training for around 4 years, and around 2 years of real proper training. My squat is nothing really big to talk about, 285 for 5 reps, but I’m working on that. I dead lift around 300 pounds for low reps and bench press 225 for moderate reps. I do chins with around 50 pounds on my waist and 90 on dips for 10 reps. I can DB Row 110 pounds for 10+ reps.

    This is just an issue that’s always been bugging me and I didn’t really know if I should go back to basic beginner programs or not…

    Thanks,
    Ken Okada


  16. Jason Ferruggia
    26. Oct, 2010
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    Chris- Thanks man.

    Mark- As long as you’re making progress and feeling good you should be ok. There are a variety of rep ranges in the program.

    Rajat- I’m not a big fan of those methods.

    DiscoStew- Option B is better. In most cases I only prefer one exercise per bodypart. Back is an exception, however.

    Cruize- Obviously that’s a less than optimal situation but you have to deal with the cards you’re dealt.

    David- I would only train three days per week. Always be sure not to over condition or overtrain. That is very prevalent in MMA. And keep strength work in the program right till the end.

    Marky Mark- What David said.

    Nelson- Bodyweight exercises are great. However if you are training for size and strength the same rules apply- sets in the 8-15 range would be about the highest you would go, with occasional sets of up to 20 reps, primarily for lower body.

    Ken-It’s both. I’d say you are definitely beyond the beginner level and closer to an intermediate.


  17. Marky Mark
    26. Oct, 2010
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    Dave, Thx for the great advice. I have been studying for the ACE and have found it to be mind numbing. I agree with everything you mentioned above. I’m in a situation where I need to get a CERT and Insurance to train at the facility of my choice that fits the market I’m after. It just needs to happen quickly but with quality.

    My strengths definitely fall into working with athlete’s but I love working with those that have the drive to take it to the next level. As far as selling goes…thankfully I come from a sales background and have no problems selling. I have attended some great seminars (Perform Better) which have provided great incite to running a PT business and marketing yourself. Bottom line…get r done!!! You guys rock!!! I’ll keep you posted :)


  18. Jimmy
    26. Oct, 2010
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    This is a great article and one that long-time lifters should consider. It is not fun being banged up and once you build a good strength foundation slow progress is the way to go. I neglected my recovery and mobility work for years. But now I know better.


  19. Clint - Crude Fitness
    26. Oct, 2010
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    Great article.
    I mix my rep ranges each month as a rule. Like most people, I tend to get bored easily in the gym if I stick to one thing. Heck, I even swap exercises around from week to week if I feel like challenging myself.
    It’s the continual ‘mixing-up’ of routines that allows us to reset our bodies’ expectations, and bust through plateaus very easily.


  20. Jason - CoreRoutine Workouts
    27. Oct, 2010
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    Great article. I am like you, I need to go heavy, kind of a reward and there is something about a pump that makes you feel like you have worked out.

    @ Clint if you change your exercises from week to week it makes it hard to progress. Not sure how you do it. Do you find you get good results?


  21. austin sparks
    29. Oct, 2010
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    thanks for asking that ken, i have trouble figuring it out too. since i have been training for 4 years, half bodypart split have proper. i have always thought of myself an intermediate.
    jay can you help me out?
    im about 170lbs, i squat 230, pull 225, millpress 105 (x5). i tried both the beginner mgs workout and the upper lower splits. got better results from the split so i figured that was a good indicator??? i like the results 3xm offered so im working through that now (and i enjoy it). but based on ken’s description i feel like im not strong enough for an intermediate program. i thougt about maybe extending the 3xm phases????

    sorry jay, i know this question has been asked before and will probably be asked again


  22. tony caminero
    29. Oct, 2010
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    I’m 61 yrs. old, and still love bodybuilding. Over the years I have learned ( the hard way) what you have said in this article. Better form, higher reps, and for me as I have become older takes my body longer to recuperate. Yes alternating rep ranges are a great way to add size and keep things fresh. thanks Jason


  23. Jocko
    30. Oct, 2010
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    My weight and lifts are about the same as Austin Sparks’ here, and I’ve also been wondering lately if I should consider myself a beginner or an intermediate (been lifting seriously for 2 years). I’m currently using a upper lower split 4 days a week, with two heavy days (4 reps x3) and two light days (12-15 reps x3), but I don’t know if that’s the best alternative for my weight and strength level….. Any thoughts?


  24. tls
    09. Nov, 2010
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    At 68 yrs old and have been training for 45 yrs, I can truly appreciate the excellent article. Truly great advice ! Big difference in my training at this point in my life, I seldom spent more that 30 min in the gym.


  25. Jason Ferruggia
    22. Nov, 2010
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    Thanks for all the comments guys. I appreciate it.

    Until you have been training for a bare minimum of two years and are coming close to benching your bodyweight and squatting 1.75-2 times bodyweight I consider you a beginner and you should train accordingly.

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