Training to Failure: Part 4- Beginners, Athletes & the Training Environment


Can Beginners Go To Failure?

trainingtofailure4 Training to Failure: Part 4  Beginners, Athletes & the Training EnvironmentNo. Raw beginners should never go to failure. That ingrains bad habits. They need a lot of repeated efforts to learn lifts and improve coordination. Let’s say a beginner could squat 95 pounds for 10 reps. I would much rather see him do eight sets of five with 95 than four sets of ten with that same weight. More sets with low reps further away from failure would give him a much better shot at mastering the exercise and making sustainable progress.

What About What I’ve Said in the Past?

In the original version of Muscle Gaining Secrets I explained training to failure much in the same way I have in this series. The problem was that ended up confusing the hell out of everyone and I got far too many emails asking what I was talking about. So I rewrote it.

Most people need a concrete answer and I decided to give them one. Being that the majority of the customers emailing me seemed to be at a beginner to early intermediate level with very little proper training experience I thought this was the best way to simplify everything for them.

When do you stop your set? When you can’t do another rep with good form and you have one more in the tank. That’s the current version of MGS. Pretty simple.

The funny thing is I wouldn’t change that. I even still push some people in my gym closer to failure than they should go because they need to learn what hard work is. In order to know how to stop shy of failure you have to have actually experienced training to failure first. At that stage of someone’s training career I would rather them work too hard than train like a pussy. You can learn all the stuff we’re discussing here with experience.

But everyone’s gotta get under the bar and bust their f*cking ass some time.

How Training To Failure Affects Athletes

dolphins1 Training to Failure: Part 4  Beginners, Athletes & the Training EnvironmentIf all you want to do with your life is lift hard and heavy, three days per week and are willing to do no more than 6-10 total work sets per session, you can train to failure regularly. Your joints and CNS will take a beating but since you are doing nothing else but sitting on the couch all day you should be alright.

If you’re an athlete, however, this won’t cut it. Athletes need to do speed and agility work along with sport or position specific preparation in addition to their strength training.

If your CNS is always shot and your body feels like shit how can you do all of that extra training?

You can’t.

At least not at a highly proficient level.

If you have practices or games the day or so after one of those CNS draining workouts you will likely be less explosive. Your training should be making you faster not slower.

Even if you don’t routinely put on a jersey with your number on it I still consider you an athlete, as I do everyone I train. Constantly training to failure puts a damper on your athletic activities because the workouts take so much time to recover from. They’re neurally, physically and mentally draining. This means that you are almost always less explosive than you should be, and rarely in a fresh, ready-to-play state.

“Hey man, wanna jump in on this pick up game of beach volleyball?”

“I wish I could but I did too many sets to failure yesterday and my CNS is shot. My vertical will be severely compromised. Sorry, bro. Check back with me tomorrow.”

As athletes we should always be fresh and ready for any and all challenges, whether they be pick up games, practices, bar fights, or near death situations. Continually overtaxing your nervous system makes that impossible.

So lift and sprint hard, but never to your max. Heed the great Charlie Francis’s advice and always leave a little in reserve, shying away from doing anything at 100% all out effort.

One side note here that needs to be addressed is that training to failure regularly causes a decreased immune system response, leading to more frequent colds and serious illnesses. When you’re sick you can’t train or play at 100% capacity. Something all athletes should think about.

What About the Training Environment?

If you run a training facility you may be wondering how these changes might negatively impact the atmosphere of your gym. This was a major concern of mine for years. However, there are other ways to keep motivation and intensity high than routinely making every set a death march.

But you will have to instill some type of competition regularly. Just don’t do too much of it. As long as you’re smart and innovative you’ll figure it out. If you want that real badass, competitive atmosphere in your facility you have to take things up a notch from time to time. When you do be sure to lower your overall training volume accordingly.

Remember what I said earlier, though; it’s a hell of a lot more fun and does far more to enhance the training atmosphere when everyone’s actually getting stronger and setting new PR’s on a regular basis.

I’ve been in the gym when guys got weaker or made zero progress and that aint fun. It makes for a horrible training atmosphere in which everyone is uncomfortable and wants to leave.

Trust me; there’s a lot better vibe when numbers are going up than when they’re staying the same or going down.

So keep your maximal strength work far away from failure and try to keep the challenges and the failure work relegated to higher rep, less stressful exercises.

Stimulate, Don’t Annihilate

So what’s the bottom line here with this whole series? Coming from the guy who likes to simplify things as much as possible a four part dissertation on training to failure might seem a bit excessive, you’re thinking…

I can definitely see your point. However, strength and conditioning is my life. I’ve spent the better part of the last 17 years in a gym experimenting and studying. I have found this concept to be so important and so critical to your long term strength gains that I thought it deserved to be examined in full detail.

The goal with strength training, as you’ve heard me say for years, is to stimulate, not annihilate.

Other great coaches and strongmen have instructed us to train, not strain.

Yet another well known saying says that when you’re training to failure, you’re training to fail.

The bottom line is this:

When you’re doing maximal strength or power/speed work on big, compound barbell lifts like snatches, cleans, presses, squats and deadlifts, the range of 1-5 reps you should steer clear of failure. With the Olympic lifts you have no choice. You can’t do a slow, grinding Olympic lift. With the other big lifts you never want to load on so much weight that your form breaks down even slightly or that the weight comes up at an excruciatingly slow, grinding pace.

That’s the way you get injured, weaker or both. So stick with strong, powerful sets, always stopping while you’re still killing the reps with perfect technique.

With higher rep (7-20) assistance exercises, performed with dumbbells or bodyweight you can come closer to failure without having as much of a negative effect. You still want to leave a bare minimum of one perfect rep in the tank, but I prefer 2-3. The choice is up to you and really depends on your training volume and training age, so I can’t give a concrete answer. You’ll figure it out in time.

As long as you feel fresh and motivated, are staying injury free and getting stronger on a consistent basis you’ll know you’re on the right path.

If that’s not the case, chances are you need to scale back the high intensity stuff a bit.

More often than not, that’ll do just the trick.

Good luck.
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Miss any part of the Training to Failure series? If so click the links below to check them out now:

Training to Failure: Part 1

Training to Failure: Part 2

Training to Failure: Part 3

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29 Comments so far


  1. Louis
    06. Dec, 2010
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    Great series man. I have seen to many people in the gym always pushing to failure and then they wonder why they can not lift more or are not growing. Another saying I think of when talking about going to failure or the potential to over train is ” It is better to be 10% under trained than 1% over trained.” Thanks for the great advice you are putting out there.
    Louis


    • Jason Ferruggia
      10. Dec, 2010
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      @Louis: Thanks. I agree with that statement.

      @JP- At the beginner level you have to be in full control. As you get more advanced you need to always explode the weight up and lower it quickly but under control. Never accentuate the eccentric portion of a rep beyond the beginner level.

      @ Will- Yeah, it’s good to take an extended break each year. Good for the mind, body, etc. You can’t make steady progress for 12 months straight no matter how hard you try so take some much needed layoffs.


  2. JP
    06. Dec, 2010
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    this Minimalism Series has been terrific, great useful info! Thanks for showing us the way…

    I know we are to avoid the ‘death sets’ of grinding out reps (something I am humbled to say
    I have done in the past).

    What is the recommended tempo/pace of the set then:
    1) Explosive fast-as-you-can-go while keeping the bb/db in complete control?
    2) Or, medium-paced steady movement while keeping muscles under constant tension?

    thanks again for sharing your knowledge & experience…


  3. Eskow
    06. Dec, 2010
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    Great stuff as always.


  4. Paul
    06. Dec, 2010
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    Thanks for simplifying the advice. Sometimes It must look like we are the dumbells!


  5. John Cortese
    06. Dec, 2010
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    Great stuff Jason. I’m a firm believer in this as well. Charlie Francis was very stern about never allowing his athletes to perform any speed work if they were tired. I can still remember reading his posts on the CF.com forums when he would explain that his training programs were never set in stone and that most people need to cut the volume in half to ensure every repetition is of the highest quality. Can’t get fast running slow with piss poor form and trying to just run for the sake of running more. Same applies to the big lifts and getting strong;

    Thanks, Jason!


  6. Tracy Langford
    06. Dec, 2010
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    Totally agree Jason! In the old days, when I would push it to the point of utter collapse, I could actually tell you that I would have a cold or be sick the next day from all the stress that I put myself through. I’m not one to shy away from hard work, but I see the wisdom these days in not destroying my CNS. I’m like you. I want to keep at it until I leave this world one day. Keep up the great articles on lifting insight. Really appreciate them.


  7. Michael
    06. Dec, 2010
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    This was a great series of article. I made this mistake recently. I was following the old school “Squat and Milk” type routine and barely got through the 20th rep. I spent the next 2 weeks sick as a dog dragging myself to work and back home only to spend all my time on the couch or in bed. Lesson learned. Thanks for the info.


  8. Jason - Fitness and Workouts
    06. Dec, 2010
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    Love the quote “when you’re training to failure, you’re training to fail”

    Great post. I think you are right that you need to feel what hard work is.

    perfect technique is an easy way to know when to stop. If you are new and train alone then you don’t always know what perfect technique is. On the flip side that means you are alone no spot and you sure know when to stop so you don’t get pinned under the bar.

    @ john Charlie was right about speed work. If you are tired you can’t run fast. If you are not running fast you are not doing speed work, it becomes something else.


  9. Will
    06. Dec, 2010
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    Everyone should take heed of the Jason’s warning about regularly training to failure impairing the immune system. I often fall ill in the week after training deads at 100%.

    Jason, I know you recommend regular breaks from training (roughly 1 week off every 4-8 weeks or so depending on the trainee) in order to rejuvenate the CNS and immune system. That’s another example of how easing off can lead to better long-term progress. Don’t you also recommend taking a complete month off once per year? I presume that’s to benefit the CNS and immune system, but does such an extended break have any other advantages? When would be the best time to take it – after hitting PB levels at the end of a period of hard training, presumably?


  10. peter
    06. Dec, 2010
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    Jason, a great deal of “great” info, this answered alot of question i had form buying your minimalist training, BUT! i want some advice on certain parts of it, I’m thinking your inner circle?, or do you / will you answer off line at all.
    cheers/be well.


  11. Andy
    06. Dec, 2010
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    Great series Jason, thanks a lot. As a 36 year old trainer it really pays off not training to failure. I got greedy a few months back in trying to increase my PB’s in squats and bench quickly and i was left constantly shattered and demotivated. I just took too much out of myself. Now i stick with explosive perfect form with lighter weights and feel faster and stronger, even if the weight is a bit less. Conquering our pride is one of the biggest test for a man. Conquer yourself and you can conquer anything.


  12. austin
    06. Dec, 2010
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    finally checked my ego and dropped the weights down today. felt ten times better during and after the workout. had more fun being explosive during and felt stronger immediately after.


    • Jason Ferruggia
      10. Dec, 2010
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      @austin: Nice. Glad to hear it.

      @Naveen- Great book. Saxon, Hackenshmidt, Peary Rader, Jowett. There’s tons of em.


  13. Raymond-ZenMyFitness
    06. Dec, 2010
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    I want to train for the long term and training intense but slightly away from failure is what I have learnt that enables me to keep on coming back.

    It’s the same with sprint intervals I did 3-4 times per week but after awhile I couldn’t keep going every week I was just getting burnt out so reducing it to 1-2 times allowed me to hit it harder and I recovered much better. It even affected my lifting intensity. So I apply the same idea of staying in that 90% zone.

    Raymond


  14. Naveen
    06. Dec, 2010
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    Great series Jason! I have been following all parts of this one. Excellent follow upto the Minimalism series!

    Would you recommend Earle Liederman’s books? Especially “Secrets of Strength” or “Muscle Building”? Or any other books you recommend written by oldtime strongmen?

    Now I have read MGS and I simply love it, but suddenly find myself interested in oldtime strongmen’s literature.

    Honestly, I am a middle-class guy from India and can’t afford international editions of 10 different books and won’t have time for reading 10 books anyway but can surely manage upto 2 or 3 such books. So can you please provide your favourite top 2 or 3 legendary books for strength training and muscle gain?

    *** I WOULD BE EXTREMELY THANKFUL FOR YOUR REPLY ***

    *** I WOULD BE EXTREMELY THANKFUL FOR YOUR REPLY ***


  15. Alejandro
    06. Dec, 2010
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    Hey Jason! I am a beginner and I found your post very interesting. I have been lifting weigths for less than a year and have been making low but steady gains over time and setting new PRs. I never workout without writting what I do. This changed my way of seeing my sessions entirely. I cant tell you how much I feel I owe you for that.

    I have been working out 45 mins per session but I always had few sets overall, around 9, I also dont do any other sport for now, so how would you recommend me lifting for now? I mean, I like trying to lift the heaviest I can and when form goes down I leave the weights, I generally do 3 sets per exercise. Generally, 3 Presses, 3 chin ups and 3 deadlifts( This one just very recently with reasonable weight).

    I am not sure how to know how far or near away I am from failure, I lift them until I see the last rep goes down in speed too much and stops feeling explosive. Last work out I benched around 130 pounds on 3 sets 5 reps, its the most I have benched so far. In the middle set I could only do 4. Would you suggest me to go down on weight then? I have been quite excited lately because for first time since practically when I started working out I have been training 2 to 3 times per week steadily, thanks to being sleeping better that before I couldnt. ALso I could finally buy more weight that I urgently needed for some time as before I had been adding sets to an already 12 reps bench of aroun 116.2 pounds (damn kg disks)

    Anyways, sorry the long post but from what I read I get I should lower the weight, yet it feels kind of downer, cause like I said I recently bought like 90 pounds new for my barbell, and this recovery thing I tell you, and I would feel like a puzzy to have such a low lift and yet get it lower…Yet I trust you care, and I trust you wouldnt recommend anything against good gains if I am willing to get them. So…

    What do you think?


  16. Jimmy
    06. Dec, 2010
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    It makes sense. What good is a rep that makes you worse? Weight Training and speed works becomes moe of skill when you think of the neural adaptations that needed to be made in each session. My problem is controlling myself so I don’t make our athletes go overboard. Its a long term thing.


  17. Vaclav Gregor
    07. Dec, 2010
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    Thank oyu, this article series made me realize how many mistakes I’ve been actually making in my workouts. Now I know that I was weaker and ill, because I focused more on weights than on technique.
    Greg


  18. Matt
    07. Dec, 2010
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    Hey Jason, great series, thanks very much for making it so clear.

    I’ve been using the principles from your MGS for a couple of weeks now after a long period of HIT, pushing myself to total failure every workout. However after reading these articles I’ve done my last 2 workouts staying 1-2 reps away from failure, and feel much fresher afterwards, and ready to get back into the gym. Hopefully this will translate into better recovery and greater gains.

    Quick question; I’ve been doing 2 (working) sets of each exercise, and I find the reps on my second set are often a lot lower than the first. Is this likely to be because my first set was still too intense, or do you think I just need a longer rest period between sets?

    Thanks again


    • Jason Ferruggia
      10. Dec, 2010
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      @Matt: That’s normal on second sets. I would lighten up the first one a bit.

      @Johannes- Conditioning is completely different from strength training and should be brutally hard, for the most part.


  19. T
    07. Dec, 2010
    at 12:29 pm
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    hey Jason,

    what do u thing about PowerBodybuilding?


  20. Matt
    07. Dec, 2010
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    Great post as always Jason. Been seeing good strength gains since using these techniques. Thanks a lot bro. I used to beat the crap out of my self every workout. Now I have better perspective on training to failure.

    Thanks Again


  21. Johannes Opitz
    10. Dec, 2010
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    Really great article series! I got your point and i think that there is very much value to it.
    But i am a combat athlete and while training muay thai the training often starts when the point of failure is reached. Especially during strength and conditioning drills there are several workouts where you have to push yourself beyond your limits and keep on going till the bell rings. This is really important because there you train mental toughness. it keeps you going when the fight gets harder and tougher in the later rounds

    i am wondering how that can be applied in your training recommandations

    thanks joe


  22. Naveen
    11. Dec, 2010
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    Many thanks Jason for the list of great authors!

    I also 200% agree with what you have written about decreased immune system response. I myself have often catched colds and viral fever after extremely heavy workouts e.g. workouts having 1-rep max deadlifts plus other heavy work. Basically there is nothing left in the body and mind to fight against the virus (the whole system is just struggling to cope up with the workout!).


  23. Will
    11. Dec, 2010
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    Thanks for the response, Jason.

    Nobody has mentioned Brooks Kubik’s great book ‘Dinosaur Training’ yet. Ropes, sandbags, heavy compound work, whole foods, lots of rest, car pushing – it’s excellent.


  24. Naveen
    12. Dec, 2010
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    Another interesting and possibly a simpler way to look at the whole thing is to go back in time and analyze the life of a primitive man. The primitive man would have, at some point, required to perform some task of great strength (similar to training to failure) e.g. a one-arm chinup to save himself from being eaten up by an animal, or alternatively, to run as fast as humanly possible to save his life. However, he would have required to perform such herculean tasks once in a few months, not every Monday, Wednesday and Friday! Sure, at other non-critical times also, he must have been doing tasks of considerable strength but nothing close to failure.

    Going to failure or doing a 1-rep max every 48 hours is a way of telling your body and mind that your life is under threat far too often to be healthy and stress-free. You are more likely to become weaker than stronger and, at times, sick!

    Jason, I hope you would agree to what I am trying to say here. I would be keen to know your comment.


  25. Jan Santos
    24. Dec, 2010
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    Great post as always Jason. Been seeing good strength gains since using these techniques. Thanks a lot bro. I used to beat the crap out of my self every workout. Now I have better perspective on training to failure. Thanks Again


  26. Basil
    06. Feb, 2011
    at 12:52 am
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    Hi Jason

    Using the training to non failure method how do you determine when to go up in weight?

    I’m currently using in this method in my training and I determine it by how I finish my first set (out of 3 sets). If I complete my first set with about 2 reps left in the tank then I sit on that weight for the remaining sets but if I found the first set easier and I had more than 2 reps left in the tank then I’d up my weight, not by much though usually by about 5-10lbs total

    Also do the amount of sets you do determine how far or close you should aim to stop from failure?

    Cheers

    Basil

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