How Close to Failure Should You Go?
I used to say you always have to leave one rep in the tank at the end of every set you do. In years gone by that meant one really hard rep that would have gone up slowly, albeit with perfect form. But that’s still a grinder. I’ve seen guys grind an entire set of six reps. That’s a true death set. If you can explode up the first three but grind the last three I would also consider that a death set, nowadays as well.
In order to really keep your CNS fresh, make continual progress and avoid injuries I would always finish your sets so that the last rep looks exactly like the first rep, only slightly slower.
That means that if someone held a gun to your head you could probably grind out another, painfully slow, ugly looking three or more reps per set.
Obviously there’s no easy formula to share here and if I’m not there with you I can’t tell you exactly when to stop your set. But it’s probably sooner than you think. Time and experience are the only things that will help you get this right.
Training “too easy” is far better and safer than training too hard. In fact, I’m starting to wonder if it’s even possible to train “too easy.” Now, granted, what I do only appeals to a certain audience and I attract a certain type of clientele, but most males that I’ve worked with have to be held back rather than motivated to train harder. I would have to imagine that’s the case with most males with two properly functioning testicles.
Of course, you can’t ease up too much. You still need to work hard and need to use an appropriate load and still want the majority of your sets to be in the range of 70-90% of your one rep max. As long as you’re doing that, however, you never want to train to failure on a regular basis. If it happens it happens. Just don’t purposely do it.
How do Different Rep Ranges or Goals Affect Training to Failure?
It’s very important that you don’t go to failure on low rep (1-5), maximal strength work. That seems to be the rep range most negatively affected by doing so. The stress on the CNS is just a bit too much to recover from.
It probably doesn’t need mentioning but just to be safe I should note that you should never come close to failure on speed and power exercises, Olympic lifts, dynamic effort work, etc.
Higher rep hypertrophy work is a different story. If you are training in the 8-15 (and up to 20 for lower body) rep range, with bodyweight or dumbbell exercises that aren’t very stressful you can, in fact, train much closer to failure.
A twelve rep inverted row to failure is an entirely different animal than a three rep deadlift to failure. They’re almost incomparable.
While the deadlift should be crisp and clean, with perfect technique, using a weight you can do five or six times for a triple (ala Ed Coan), the inverted row can be taken very close to failure. The negative effect of doing so will be nowhere near as devastating. I would still finish the set with at least one or two reps left in the tank but feel free to give it everything you have and really push it.
One important note about bodyweight exercises is that even though they are generally less stressful than heavy, compound barbell lifts you still have to be smart when attempting a new movement that requires high levels of skill and coordination.
If you are trying to master the planche pushup, muscle up or pistol squat you are better off doing multiple sets of low reps, far from failure. Once you get to the point where you can do these for sets of ten you can start repping them out to near failure if you so desire.
Bottom Line:
Maximal Strength Work with Big Compound Barbell Lifts = Stay far from failure
Hypertrophy (Size Training) Work with Bodyweight or Dumbbell Exercises = Near failure but still leaving some in the tank
In Part 4 we’ll wrap up the Training to Failure series with discussions about beginners, things I’ve said in the past (am I contradicting myself or just learning with experience?), athletes, the immune system and the training environment.
Please leave your questions or comments below.









03. Dec, 2010
at 9:07 am #
What happened to part 3?
03. Dec, 2010
at 9:11 am #
did I miss Part 3? Good to know the different rep ranges vs failure, strong article as always.
03. Dec, 2010
at 9:14 am #
Sorry, got ahead of myself. Fixed it.
03. Dec, 2010
at 9:15 am #
Ahh I get it, this one’s just mistitled. Don’t like missing articles on here!
03. Dec, 2010
at 9:49 am #
Guys,this is part 3! haha
This is making so much sense to me, especially after years of always pushing to the point of failure or really close. This series is a revelation to me because I just realized that I need to retrain my body/mind to stop going so close to failure. Over the years I’ve trained myself to always push hard and it’s counterproductive with the heavy barbell exercises.
Probably doubly so for ectomorphs.
As you said it’s hard on the CNS and slows your recovery and leads to burnout and injury. Those have always been my biggest problems, yet I’ve conditioned myself to believe that anything less is not building muscle. Now I realize I need to back off a bit.
We are all learning as we go and it takes a real man to admit when they were wrong. Most people HAVE TO BE RIGHT and will die defending their erroneous beliefs, even when overwhelming evidence to the contrary exists.
I commend you for your honest writing even if it contradicts some of the stuff you’ve said in the past or in your programs. I know you’re always saying “only the strong survive” which is a good saying, yet it was Charles Darwin who said the following: “It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.”
Of course there’s nothing wrong with being strong and intelligent too! ;)
03. Dec, 2010
at 10:02 am #
Excellent stuff. I have learned so much on this latest series of yours about how I should be training than I have learned in years. Thanks!
05. Dec, 2010
at 2:37 am #
@Chris: bit confused , as i thought over training was due to lack of enough recovery, bit contradictory to mike mentzer????? min 96hr rest and even 1 week????
03. Dec, 2010
at 10:36 am #
These articles have been such a big help. I’ve been training much closer to the big F than I should have done for years now. Since you started posting these at the beginning of the week I’ve been much more aware of when I should stop a set. Maybe it’s just psychology, but I feel “lighter” in the head and more focussed and can’t wait to lift again whereas before I would almost dread it.
Next set!
James.
03. Dec, 2010
at 10:49 am #
I’ve been following you for a couple years now, and I think you’ve always adhered to the “stimulate your muslces–not annihilate them” philosophy, at least that was my impression.
The hard part is finding your own line between stimulation versus annihilation; it almost appears as though what you’re getting at is that there may be no significant advantage to treading that line, especially considering the ease with which it is crossed and the negative things that come with it.
03. Dec, 2010
at 10:51 am #
You’re right on all counts, Lame-R. Very good observation
03. Dec, 2010
at 10:57 am #
Great point on the body weight exercises. I use to and I know people who still do think that because it is just a body weight exercise they can just push and push form and failure be damned. Thanks for the series looking forward to part 4!
Louis
03. Dec, 2010
at 11:50 am #
As a begginer (halfway through Begginer’s Phase 3 of MGS) if you find yourself being able to just complete one more rep or no other rep (I always mean with good technique) for squats, deadlifts or military presses should that worry me very much? I mean, I am still being able to pull like 1 or 2 more reps (with good technique) each day I enter the gym and do those exercises although I go somewhat near to failure, so while I make progress I shouldn’t worry about it right?
04. Dec, 2010
at 6:07 am #
@Julio G.: You should be fine. In the future I would stop your sets maybe one rep earlier. You’ll find progress is usually faster this way.
@Peter- If you’re supposed to do four sets don’t add another set.
@Brandon- Thanks. I know what you meant.
@Tim- One of the two ways you get strong is through neural improvements. To do that you need to stimulate/activate the CNS without overstressing it. CNS fatigue is one of the biggest problems for lifters and athletes. If you can manage it your progress will be much faster. Lifting in the 1-5 range with maximal weights is very CNS intensive which is why you need to be careful with this. The great Charlie Francis was hyper aware of CNS fatigue which is why he created his famous High/Low system which produced many of the worlds fastest athletes.
None of that is to say you couldn’t do sets in the 1-5 rep range quite frequently. Olympic lifters do it all the time. But if you do these sets need to be done with somewhere in the range of 60-90% of your max for the most part. Going above 90% is what drains the CNS.
03. Dec, 2010
at 12:42 pm #
Jason, I cant find in any other threads if you answered this but lets say on your 3 set of 4 or your 4th set of 4 you cant hit the last rep(8) with out grinding it out, should you just stop and end it there? or drop the weight a bit and hit another clean 8?
03. Dec, 2010
at 1:27 pm #
I sort of misspoke in my earlier comment in that I didn’t mean to apply that you contradicted yourself in your programs, cause both do talk about stopping shy of failure or going to “clean failure.”
I guess I just meant that in lieu of new insights you are clarifying “when to stop” further than you did in the programs. Anyway, just wanted to correct myself.
Looking forward to Part 4.
03. Dec, 2010
at 3:08 pm #
This is all getting a bit complicated but the ‘bottom line’ is at least clear for me…
I think I’ll just push and pull until without dropping the weight on my foot.
Actually reading not going to failure is a blessing for me as I train frequently probably too frequently and I know it will help me keep lifting for a long time which I love … I hate injuries.
Look forward to part 4 of my new found Bible to Lifting.
Really thanks for the info.
Raymond
03. Dec, 2010
at 8:54 pm #
Can you detail and briefly elaborate on the “stress on the cns too much to recover from”? Scientifically speaking I mean…if this is going to be in pt4 I think I can wait.
04. Dec, 2010
at 7:04 am #
Great info.
When I train, the last two reps are slow, but still technically correct. I would be able to perform about two to three reps with a little bit worse form before I’d hit the failure. This is a good to bare in mind, because you know exactly where you are.
Today I’d never go to failure. I tried at the begining (funny that beginners always try that, I assume that they think it will give them better gains, if they crush their muscle that day), but today I’d do it try it again.
I’m looking forward to the next article.
04. Dec, 2010
at 4:33 pm #
Jason – this Minimalism Series is just plain awesome! It has answered the questions to so many confusing topics. I have used MGS for some serious strength gains (all in less than 45 mins sessions, go figure). I think I can speak for most of us, Thanks for your dedication to advancing our training!
I fall into the 41 yr old humbled noob category ;) training range and being an ecto hardgainer, I have pushed too hard and at times, trained to failure. I’ve always felt I had to do more to see even the smallest of gains.
For Hypertrophy – I have seen tremendous strength gains over the last year using MGS but still trying to see more size gains. Do you have another program that might be geared for hardgainers seeing more size gains in addition to strength gains? or go thru MGS another time?
I would like to know more about how the CNS system works also. If it is the source of strength and growth. What are the warning signs that your CNS is stressed?
thx again – your input has been invaluable to my training…
jp
10. Dec, 2010
at 4:00 pm #
@JP: JP, I have some programs in the Inner Circle and more I will be releasing soon that will help you. But to be honest, the programs in Minimalist Training will be all you’ll ever need. I’d pick up a copy. You’ll know your CNS is fried when you feel like shit and can’t progress. Two simple tests are vertical jump and grip strength. If either is down your CNS is shot.
@ Britt- Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
@ jaffas- Yeah, Mike and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum.
04. Dec, 2010
at 6:11 pm #
Jason,
I just wanted to jump on here and let you know I believe your blog and programs are the best tools for anyone in the “iron game”. I honestly can say there are no other blogs out there which can even compare. Hell, you even give us free shit too!
Keep it up brother…i’m hooked!!
05. Dec, 2010
at 1:10 pm #
Cant wait for the next part!
05. Dec, 2010
at 9:40 pm #
Great series Jason! I have been following all parts of this one. Excellent follow upto the Minimalism series!
Would you recommend Earle Liederman’s books? Especially “Secrets of Strength” or “Muscle Building”? Or any other books you recommend written by oldtime strongmen?
Now I have read MGS and I simply love it, but suddenly find myself interested in oldtime strongmen’s literature.
Honestly, I am a middle-class guy from India and can’t afford international editions of 10 different books and won’t have time for reading 10 books anyway :-) but can surely manage upto 2 or 3 such books. So can you please provide your favourite top 2 or 3 legendary books for strength training and muscle gain?
*** I WOULD BE EXTREMELY THANKFUL FOR YOUR REPLY ***
*** I WOULD BE EXTREMELY THANKFUL FOR YOUR REPLY ***
06. Dec, 2010
at 6:56 am #
Mr. Ferruggia, I know this is unrelated. I am a member of your inner circle and I am leaving for active duty soon and therefore won’t be using the inner circle services. I tried canceling my subscription and it didn’t work.
06. Dec, 2010
at 12:03 pm #
Looks like a CrossFit picture with the baby. From what I have been reading in this series I think it is safe to say that you are not a big CrossFit fan.
Has been a great series, thanks.
15. Dec, 2010
at 1:55 pm #
This does make loads of sense, I have been training with the max effort method for a while, but really felt something was missing!
I’m glad I am still learning, I will certainly give not going to failure a try.