Nutritional Knowledge Bombs with Nate Miyaki: Part II


go ahead its gluten free Nutritional Knowledge Bombs with Nate Miyaki: Part IIJF: Aside from cutting all carbs what are the two or three other most common dietary mistakes you see people making?

NM:

(1) People getting swindled and fooled by marketing executives, and basing their diets on refined “health” foods instead of nature’s “real” foods.  They think they are doing something good for themselves by eating their 100-calorie bars, gluten free muffins, high fiber cereals, pro-biotic yogurts, and organic pizza.

If you take only one thing away from my incoherent ramblings, I hope that it is this: organic crap is still crap, regardless of the marketing taglines.  If you refuse to believe that, well, I eat pretty much all organic.  I got a couple of brown logs I left in the bathroom this morning that I’d like to sell you.

Bottom line, unless you’re a Keebler Elf and are sponsored by Nabisco, if you want to get somewhere, base your diet mostly on real, natural animal and plant foods, not fake, refined “health” foods and snacks.

(2) In the Low-Carb Era, many people believe that as long as they banish carbs to the Underworld, they can eat unlimited amounts of dietary fat and still lose body fat.  But calories still matter in this ballgame.

I don’t care if you haven’t touched a carb since Bridgette Nielson was hot, if you overshoot your calories with the other macros, your 12-pack Dreaming will never get off the Nightmare on Bitch Tit Street.

JF: I hate that street.

NM: Me too. This is what many “new-school” dieters don’t understand.  Despite some of the metabolic and hormonal advantages of certain macronutrients and macronutrient ratios, total calories still count.

In low carb, unlimited fat and protein diets, you can still enter a state of caloric excess.  And even though your body has shifted to burning a greater percentage of fatty acids as fuel, in caloric excess, it will simply obtain those fatty acids, and perhaps ketones, from the abundance of dietary fat you are taking in.

It will NOT be forced to tap into internal body fat stores as a reserve fuel.  Quite the opposite is true.  The excess calories will be stored as body fat.

Bottom line, whatever macronutrient gods you pray to (Crom, The 4 Winds, etc.), make sure you account for total calories.

Why Flax Seed Oil Sucks

Flaxseed oil 768x1024 Nutritional Knowledge Bombs with Nate Miyaki: Part IIJF: You recommend that people eat their fats from animal sources and not drink them or overload on oils. Explain your reasoning for that and why flax seed oil actually isn’t the great source of healthy fat that most people think it is.

NM:  I don’t want people confused into thinking I’m a “low-fat” guy.  We know the many benefits of fat in the diet, including natural hormone production.  No physique is worth a limp dick — or whatever would be the female equivalent for the Renegade babes — dusty beaver?

JF: Ah, yes, I believe that is the correct term.

NM: But as foreshadowed in my previous answer, I think this pouring oil on top of everything trend has got to go.  It is holding many people back from achieving their physique goals.

Here’s the thing. Fat in nature comes along with protein and/or fiber.  It is not meant to be eaten as a refined oil.  What’s Jack LaLanne’s old line, “if man made it, don’t eat it”?  This is usually applied to carbs, but I believe it is equally relevant to one’s dietary fat sources.

To me, a diet with the majority of fat coming as a by-product of whole eggs, salmon, grass-fed beef, etc. is much different than a diet with the majority of fat coming from vegetable oil, salad dressings, cream sauces, and even “healthy” oils.

Maybe we should call this thing “In Defense of Animal Foods”.  High quality, animal protein sources provide us with dietary fat in the right amounts and ratios that Mother Nature intended.

As soon as you start emphasizing refined oils, you end up with:

1. A disrupted essential fatty acid balance, as most refined oils are too high in polyunsaturated fats in general, and too high in omega-6 fatty acids specifically.

2. A low satiating food, which is very easy to overeat.  This is how you end up with the salad that you think is a light lunch, but actually contains 1500 calories or more — the low-carb fallacy at its finest.

I’ve always believed people should get the majority of fat as a by-product of high quality protein sources.  If for whatever reason you need to add fat, add WHOLE FOOD fats — nuts, avocado, coconut, etc. — not refined oils.

And flax seed oil?  Biggest bullshit “health” food on the planet.

In response to the general public becoming more informed about the benefits of Omega-3 fats and improving the Omega-6: Omega-3 ratio, the health food industry has responded with a marketing push of flaxseed oil.

REFINED flaxseed oil is indeed high in Omega-3 fatty acids, but it is far inferior to the NATURAL Omega-3 fatty acids found in fish (salmon, mackerel, anchioves, sardines, tuna, etc.).

Here’s the truth.  It’s the derivatives of alpha-linolenic acid (Omega 3′s) — EPA and DHA — that provide most of the health and fitness benefits, not alpha-linolenic acid itself.  Flaxseed oil is high in Omega-3′s, but it has to go through several chemical conversion processes involving enzymes to convert to EPA/DHA. This process is highly inefficient in the human body, and yields very little of the actual beneficial derivatives.

It’s another one of those “lets get people to feel like they are doing something good for themselves when in reality it is pointless” kind of things.

You are better off with a direct source of EPA/DHA from fish.  If you don’t like eating as much fish as your ol’ perverted pal Miyaki (say you prefer downing nuts and weiners instead, not that there is anything wrong with that), some fish oil supplementation may be warranted.

Me? I’ll stick to the fish, but high quality, wild salmon if you know what I mean, not gutter tilapia.

Can you smell what “Miyak” is cooking?

Pre-Workout Nutrition

JF: I definitely can and am with you, my brother. Now, what are your thoughts on pre-workout nutrition when training for fat loss? Carbs? No carbs? Solid food? Liquid? How long before? Hit me with the dopeness…

NM: Mila Kunis is the best pre-workout energy booster I know of.  When she is shooting machine guns in Max Payne…

Sorry, my mind was still on the previous question.

From a solid food standpoint, in general, I believe the best approach for most is to train in a fasted or relatively fasted state.  From a functional standpoint this minimizes any digestive stress and energy crashes from rebound hypoglycemia during training.  From a build a bad-ass body standpoint, it optimizes GH production and fat burning during training, but even more importantly, sets the stage up for a huge anabolic/muscle building rebound in the post-workout recovery period.

Stress, from training, nutritional hardship, or a combination of the two, leads to adaptation.

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Fasted training and two meals a day helped Serge get all the ladies.

 

If the fasted thing doesn’t work for you, I would go with a protein-only or protein + fat meal pre-workout, keeping the starchy carbs out of it and saving them for the post-workout period and night-time feast.

Whatever the case, the last solid food meal should be 3-5 hours before training to avoid digestive stress and rebound hypoglycemia as we’ve talked about.

From a practical standpoint, if you train in the morning up until early afternoon, you may want to experiment with the Lean Gains-style intermittent fasting set up — train fasted and then eat your meat.  Props to Martin Berkhan for showing all of us how to make intermittent fasting applicable to the Iron Game.

If you train in the late afternoon or evening, you may go with a Paleo-style lunch and then train 3-5 hours later.

But don’t you need carbs pre-workout to fuel your training?  Yes, but not necessarily immediately before, or even a few hours before.

Keep in mind once muscle glycogen is high it stays high until you perform high intensity activity.  So adequate energy reserves are more about what you eat the day before training than the day of.  Hence, another reason to eat the majority of your calories and carbs at night.  It’s not only about their anabolic effects, and re-stocking energy reserves from the current day’s activity or training. It’s about preparing for the NEXT DAY’s activity and training.

I think the late, great Serge Nubret would agree with all of the above.  And I have a simple survival philosophy — don’t f*ck with a Lion!

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69 Comments so far


  1. George McWhirter
    05. Aug, 2012
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    You’re talking about fish etc. What about krill oil? My standpoint is that the major marketing behind this is that it has astaxanthin etc in it BUT you can buy separate astaxanthin supplements so I don’t see the big deal….


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      Hey George, I’m not going to lie brother. I haven’t spent a ton of time researching supplements so I’m probably not the guy to ask about targeted supplementation protocols.

      You can either pop krill oil caps or eat fish, just like you can either jerk off or get laid. Me? I prefer the real thing (now that’s not a diss on krill or fish oil supplements — I understand the whole convenience factor and all that).

      In a messed up way, its just saying I don’t have a great answer for you.


  2. Colt
    05. Aug, 2012
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    I’m pretty sure I saw an advert 60 years ago for women who would buy maltodextrin to get curvier because the “Western Diet” was meat, eggs, and bread. Now we have to fight to get our REAL meat back. Thanks for the knowledge bombs. Blew my mind


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      No problem brother. Fitness can be a messed up industry sometimes my brother. The more we complicate things, the more we get away from the basics (real/natural foods, basic bodyweight and free weight movements, etc.) the further we get away from what actually produces results.

      Cut through the bullshit, simplify everything. That’s how you get somewhere.


  3. Convoymagnus
    05. Aug, 2012
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    Pure and distilled wisdom, I train fasted and it rocks ..thanks!


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
      at 1:39 pm
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      Bruce Lee, Miyamoto Musashi, Jason Ferruggia, those are guys that spout wisdom. Me? I’m just a dude with some opinions (although I do think they are good ones).

      And yes, I believe fasted training does rock. Just don’t rock out with your cock out…


  4. Alex
    05. Aug, 2012
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    Again, awesome article.. as Jason said, hit me with the dopeness !!
    Loved the part about the catabolic anabolic rebound, wich is one thing that most people don’t understand, trying to be anabolic all the time doesn’t work..
    I also agree with the part about pre workout carbs, they are just not worth the crash :) i feel much more energized if i don’t have carbs before, same thing happens if i don’t have carbs for breakfast, i feel much more energized thru the whole day..
    I workout at night, i have my carb feast after, right before bed, and my gains are mostly lean, so you are spot on..
    Nice stuff on the flaxseed oil, i really can’t understand how people don’t get it..
    I do use a fish oil supplement but been trying to eat salmon more often and use less of it.
    Congrats to you and Jason for this wonderful interview !!


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      Right on Alex, and thanks for sharing your experience with the crew, because you see, that’s what I believe is the most important gauge of the effectiveness of a program = real world results. Keep at it bro.


      • Alex
        06. Aug, 2012
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        Thanks.. been checking your stuff and i gotta say that’s it’s pretty solid stuff all the way.. its very rare to see someone these days advising the true basics that really work, instead of focusing on new unproven theories and shitty supplements just trying to sell..
        I can see that you know your stuff and that you have experienced on yourself thoroughly to get where you are, that’s how i like to do it too..
        Cant wait for the next one..
        Keep it up !!


  5. Nick Pineault
    05. Aug, 2012
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    Awesome stuff, as always. Nate berserker style answers are priceless.


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      haha, thanks Nick. I have no filter, I say whatever comes into my head, and since I’m f*cked up…

      Now that’s not always a good thing, so don’t necessarily do that yourself…


  6. Luther Bliss
    05. Aug, 2012
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    My performance is always shit when I train fasted.


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      Its not for everyone man. I believe if you eat right the night before, you should have plenty of MUSCLE glycogen reserves to fuel high intensity muscular contractions. If you feel like shit training, then its probably a matter of depleted LIVER glycogen. That’s why for some (especially if they train later in the day), I recommend a Paleo-style meal 3-5 hours before. There comes a point where fasting too long becomes counterproductive. So, lean protein with 1 of 2 options:

      1. Piece of whole fruit would give you just enough glucose to fuel the brain without causing digestive stress or rebound hypoglycemia (remember, what you ate the day before will be fueling the muscles, you just need to fuel the brain and CNS).

      2. You could also go with something like coconut as an energy source. Gives you some medium chain triglycerides that can be used as a quick fuel source to get you through the workout.


  7. Diego
    05. Aug, 2012
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    When training in a fasted state around the middle of the afternoon, say 3pm, would you advise on taking some sort of workout nutrition or just straight up train then eat after?


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      Damn, that’s borderline bro, again because right about that time is where you run the risk of lower liver glycogen from fasting negatively effecting performance (and also leading to a higher rate of amino acids being converted to glucose). That’s one of the deals with the 16 hour, or 14-18 hour, fasting window — and on a side note is why I believe “intermittent” fasting is much better for athletes than “all day” or “alternate day” fasting.

      I would try it a few different ways and assess which works the best for you. A) Straight up train and eat after. B) Eat a paleo-style lunch (as I mentioned above) with one of the different energy nutrients (fruit or coconut), then train.

      Regardless, don’t do anything just because I or anyone else says to do it, or to fit into some system or arbitrary creed. Go from an informed starting point (like I’m giving you) and then go test, assess, self-analyze in the real world to see what works best.

      Blindly following dogma is for children who haven’t learned to think or take accountability for themselves.

      P.S. Sorry for the rant, you gotta put up with those once in awhile when you’re hanging with Miyaki. Hope the real heart of the matter, my advice, helps you. Later.


      • Alex
        06. Aug, 2012
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        The second part of your answer is PRICELESS man !!
        There’s no “one size fits all” diet or program, we are all different.
        Theory is an awesome starting point, but its experience that gets us there.
        I just wish there were more people out there thinking like this…


  8. Clint - Crude Fitness
    06. Aug, 2012
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    Great post as usual Nate.


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      Thanks brother. You look jacked in your avatar. You must know that Jason Ferruggia guy everyone keeps talking about, hahaha


  9. GetFitnStrong
    06. Aug, 2012
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    What about olive oil? Certainly this is a processed one as well? Do we have to eat olives instead? Are pickled ones ok?

    Thanks


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      You don’t HAVE to do anything just because that douchebag Miyaki (or anyone else) said so.

      My thing is why do you need any oil? What, are you saying you need olive oil in particular for the monounsaturated fat? 50% of the fat in beef is monounsaturated fat. Plenty of mono’s in avocado or nuts (well not so much my nuts, because they are kind of small, but in the average pair of nuts).

      I get that most of us have been led to believe we need “healthy” oils, but you don’t really. That’s why I always go back to the REAL vs REFINED food debate as the cornerstone of my nutritional advice.

      I hope that didn’t come off dick-ish, really just trying to help man.


      • Shawna
        12. Aug, 2012
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        What about its so painful to eat dry salad, and fancy olive oil tastes good, is it bad then?


  10. Mark
    06. Aug, 2012
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    My main focus now is massive fat loss (and maintain the bit of muscle I have). I have read The Renegade Diet and it says it’s best to have to small meals before a workout. What should I do when training in fasted state is best for me?

    I use olive oil because it’s great against inflammation (that’s what I’ve been told). Which anti-inflammation foods do you recommend Nate?

    I love the conversation. Great stuff Jason and Nate.


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      I really do think it depends on the time of day as I outlined in the article (so fasted training in the morning works great, might need a light pre-workout Paleo-style meal if training in afternoon or evening, etc.), AND also the goals. If strength/performance is the primary goal, you may need some liver glycogen replenishment before training to fuel the brain and CNS, hence the small pre-workout meal. If max fat loss and cosmetic change are the primary goals, that’s different, and purely fasted may work better. No one Right Way my friend. If prepping for an afternoon internet porn session, fuck man, toss a coin = either works phenomenal.

      Stay tuned for the inflammation stuff. We bullshitted about that in part 3


      • Mark
        07. Aug, 2012
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        Thank you Nate. I really like how you cut the crap. Now I have to stop eating the crap and we’re all right.

        Do you think it’s o.k. to work out in the morning fasted, eat lots of protein, greens and fats after the workout (around 12),

        a bit of protein, greens and fats at about 4

        and then finally the big meal with protein, greens and a bit of carbs (like 100 gram of rice or 200 gram of potatoes)?

        As you can see I have an issue with digestion.. (I know it’s me.)


  11. William Richards
    06. Aug, 2012
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    Another killer post!! Definitely cleared up a few things for me. Great info Jason!


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      Really? I’m confused as shit. Just kidding man. Thanks for the support. Hope our stuff helps.


  12. William
    06. Aug, 2012
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    Great stuff Nate.

    Do you have any dietary recommendations for trainees with autoimmune/arthritis issues?


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      1. Legally dude, I can’t say I can treat any specific medical condition (its fucked up, but its the law).

      2. But we do have some general stuff coming up in part 3 about inflammation (that’s not some kind of weird way to get you to come back, but just for efficiency’s sake).

      3. I’d definitely check out the Renegade and the Ronin’s friend Robb Wolf’s stuff on that. Good sh*t = Paleo-style eating’s positive effects on autoimmune-based conditions.

      4. Instead of pretending to know everything, if pointing you in the direction of ANOTHER coach helps you out, you better fucking by my book too just out of shear appreciation. I’m trying to make a living here man (but not by withholding legit stuff from my colleagues that may help you out more than I can).

      And there you have it.


  13. Derek
    06. Aug, 2012
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    As far as I understand, flaxseed oil = linseed oil = floor laquer


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      flaxseed oil = highly oxidizable polyunsaturated fat, with potential estrogenic compounds, that tastes like shit, and yields very little beneficial EPA/DHA = waste of $$$, unless you are a house mom that likes to buy “health foods” to make her “feel” like she is actually doing something good for herself.

      Ah, that was messed up man. Who am I to judge anyone? Do whatever makes you feel good about yourself.


  14. Adam Zee
    06. Aug, 2012
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    Am a muslim and as some of you may know, it is Ramadan month. I train fasted late in the evening after 19+ hours of fasting with no problems at all and have a HUGE feast during the night. LEAN GAINS alright.. This article is insanely AWESOME.


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      Yeah Adam, a lot of the studies used to support intermittent fasting protocols are based on Ramadan-style eating, so there you have it. But dude, real world results are more important than any study, and you’re getting them, so thanks for sharing.


  15. Aaron Bradley
    06. Aug, 2012
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    Great read. Learned quite a bit. Currently I work out realllly late at night/early am, so definitely good to know the info about pre/post workout eating


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      Yeah man, that’s a unique situation that requires some adjustments, so hope the new info helps. If my memory serves me correctly (which it rarely does), I think me and Jason talked a little bit more about post-workout nutrition in part 3.

      We also talked about Eva Mendes, so either way, it might be worth it to come kick it with us again.


  16. Paul
    06. Aug, 2012
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    Thabks for this guys! Your no bull shit approach to eating healthy is refreshing. I’m working my way through the Renegade Diet book right now and slowly shifting to not eating before my morning workouts. So far, I love it and feel great!

    Looking forward to part 3!


  17. Daniel Aipa
    06. Aug, 2012
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    Cant wait until the third installment. This has been filled with a bunch of great information. Thanks for sharing. Since I train in the morning, I’ll experiment with this approach.

    Aloha


    • Nate Miyaki
      06. Aug, 2012
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      Try it brother, you won’t be disappointed. Remember, muscle glycogen/energy reserves are more about what you ate the night before than what you eat the day of. Your body can’t synthesize muscle glycogen that fast.

      My dad’s friend is an old school Hawaiian. He was talking story (hahaha, learned that one from my wife) about how they used to go hunt wild pigs in the mountains in the morning, than come down and fish in the afternoon, THEN FEAST. Made me think, damn man, I was born in the wrong place and wrong era.

      Hunt and feast my friend.

      And since Jay posted up a pic of Serge Nubret in the article, here is a quote from him, to honor him:

      “I never eat oatmeal in my life, I never eat breakfast as I was doing leg and abs every morning. But I eat a lot in the evening so I had enough calories to train during the morning.”


  18. Nate Miyaki
    06. Aug, 2012
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    1. Back together again huh fellas? Its like Young Guns II.

    2. Jason, glad you and I agree dusty beaver is the correct term. Unfortunately, we’ve been corrected by someone who has spent years pouring through all of the anatomy textbooks & available vagina research (but has never actually been laid). The correct term is “Labia-itis Dusty”. Go figure.


  19. Kate
    06. Aug, 2012
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    Shared on my wall and in my female Leangains group. I love your work, Nate :).


    • Nate Miyaki
      08. Aug, 2012
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      thanks for sharing Kate, really appreciate that. Feel free to “literally” share me with your group as well. Hahaha, just kidding…


  20. Alex
    06. Aug, 2012
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    Hey Nate, a couple questions for you…

    What do you think about small, daily “cheats” incorporated into your macros versus one all out cheat day or meal per week?

    How much of a carb-bomb do you need to eat at night in order to train hard the following evening? It seems like if you eat a protein and fat breakfast, paleo style lunch with a piece of fruit, and then dinner with a ton of rice it still ends up being like 150g of carbs or less.

    What kind of oil do you use to cook with? Thanks!


    • Nate Miyaki
      08. Aug, 2012
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      1. Overall I don’t like it, but I realize it works for some. I think daily treats are just bad habits that need to be broken, whereas a weekly cheat at least has some metabolic purpose.

      2. That really depends on the diet and training and person. High volume bodybuilding-style training depletes more glycogen than pure strength training. Eating to optimize performance is different than trying to get to 2% body fat, etc. You see what I’m saying? I’ll give you an example. Me personally, I eat like 300g-350g of carbs for dinner, in one sitting (I should have been a sumo wrestler), but I do higher volume training, process carbs well, and am very low body fat. Other people might only need 100-150g of carbs depending on their unique situation. The set-up is the same, but the details of the diet all need to be adjusted.

      3. I scoff at oils. What do you need to cook with oils for, this ain’t the Food Network. Here’s a simple recipe for you: chop that animal’s frickin’ head off, put it over an open fire (or grill it to be safer), and eat it.


  21. Kees
    07. Aug, 2012
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    Hi Nate & Jason,

    This is so refreshing – thank you guys!

    I calculated that I should eat around 2700 calories a day. I eat two small meals (400 together), but I simply can’t eat 2300 in the evening. In the Warrior Diet Ori writes about undereating and overeating. But when are you overeating? Could it be possible to eat less than the calculated 2700 daily calories and still overeat, because you eat like 1400 calories in one big meal?

    I hope it makes sense. That would be the first time.

    And: I always learnt not to mix carbs and fats together. How many carbs could you normally eat in the big meal without worrying about fat intake?

    I should write the Worrier Diet.

    Have a nice day.


    • Convoymagnus
      07. Aug, 2012
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      ^ this , my main worries now that i am trying the renegade diet is that in my case for example if I eat up to 237 g carbs on workout days and 180 g protein that leaves me with a whooping 95 g fat a day, and I always learned that on carb days you should keep fat below 30-50 g, however that would be mixing in a meal around 110 g carbs with 40-60 g fat. What about the body storing fats in the presence of glucose? Please give me your thoughts!


      • Nate Miyaki
        08. Aug, 2012
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        Yeah I get the carb/fat separation theory, and while I don’t think you should eat a bunch of added fats with carbs, I wouldn’t worry about fats you get from your protein sources. For example lets say you were eating majority of carbs at dinner. 4 cups of rice gave you 200g of carbs. You could go with a 12 oz steak with that, which might give you what 20-25g of fat depending on the cut. I don’t think that’s a prob. Another 12oz of meat in a Paleo lunch with maybe a piece of fruit would give you another 10-20g fat (lets say its chicken this time). Rest of the fat you could throw in as an afternoon snack, what 1/2-1 cup of nuts or something like that. The added fats is where I would separate, which is why I’m not a huge fan of pouring oils on meals.

        To me, the whole carb/fat mixing thing is more problematic with the traditional American Diet, like pizza for example.

        OK, I don’t know if that made any fucking sense, but this is a Q and A, so its a free form thang. I ain’t editing.


        • Convoymagnus
          08. Aug, 2012
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          It made ALL THE FUCKING SENSE!! Thanks sensei Miyaki !


        • Alex
          09. Aug, 2012
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          For what i know insulin only binds to carbs, so i don’t get whats the problem with mixing the 2.. off course, if you are getting a lot of carbs and a lot of fats the problems is you are getting a lot of calories, but i don’t see the direct connection between having the 2 at the same time and getting fat.. what’s your opinion on this Nate ?


    • Nate Miyaki
      08. Aug, 2012
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      Well, your pal Miyaki is refreshing, especially his half Japanese green/half Irish breakfast teabags.

      1. First off, Ori Hofmekler has had a huge influence on my nutritional philosophies, so definitely feel I need to give him credit here. “He started this fasting/feasting sh*t, and that’s the mother f*cking thanks he gets.”

      2. Yeah, undereating during the day, overeating/feast at night. It takes awhile to get used to feasting, but you’ll get used to it. Much better than trying to starve on a salad at night, trust me. I average 2000 calories for dinner, and I’m a 165lbs sissy girl, so I’m sure you could throw down more.


  22. Chris
    07. Aug, 2012
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    All good Jay & Nate,

    Since finding this blog three weeks ago I am tearing my body up, and rebuilding – bigger, stronger, leaner!

    I’m only 160lbs and pretty new to ‘unconventional’ training, so been sticking with 4 fundamental compound moves in a circuit: Squat, pronate pull-up, deadlift, dips, + core 3x p/wk – alt. days 5 x 400m sprints with 1 min rest. That fucks me up!

    Exercise aside, the diet style is amazing, I feel a thousand times better with only around 50g of carbs in a 1350 cal diet a day – mostly from veg. Though I did have a bagel the other day and nearly fell asleep – random?

    Anyway, this post has made me think about the refinement of a staple interim ‘meal’ i’ve been using in my diet – Greek Yoghurt (100g = 10g protein, 4g carb, 0g fat). Would you class Yog as refined and therefore ditch it?

    Thanks.


    • Nate Miyaki
      08. Aug, 2012
      at 10:01 am
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      1. Dude, I would imagine at some point you are going to have to increase both calories and carbs if you are going to gain size/strength.

      2. Dairy is a hugely controversial issue, but yes, I lean towards the side of being against dairy = refined food. That could just be Asian bias, but for a large percentage of people it is inflammatory, causes digestive distress, leads to water retention (and fat retention).


      • Chris
        09. Aug, 2012
        at 5:44 am
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        I’m on it Nate! Just invested in The Renegade Diet book rather than trying to wing it from the blogs – excellent though they are!

        Instantly Upped my Cals by 600 and carbs by 50g. I’m sure it will produce results based on the methods (against my current intuition) – we shall see in 60 days.

        My only concern now is sourcing a good alternative for Athletic Greens here in the UK – those guys have to open their markets; demand accross the UK seems massive from the comments across co.uk blogs.

        Thanks,
        Chris


        • Kees
          09. Aug, 2012
          at 7:11 am
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          Hi Chris,

          Good news: you can now also buy Athletic Greens in the UK and the rest of Europe. Perhaps Jason could provide a link to the website and earn some well deserved money.


  23. Jack
    07. Aug, 2012
    at 9:52 am
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    Jack

    #

    Great interview! I always enjoy your articles in T-nation, so cool to have you here. Quick questions – Are purple potatoes more equivlenet to sweet potoates or white tublers. Not a lot of info on purple ptoatoes. I get them at the farmer’s market. The problem is some are really dark in color when you cut them, while other are light. Any thoughts on the purple tublers would be greatly appreciated.

    Looking forward to part 3!

    Thanks
    J


    • Nate Miyaki
      08. Aug, 2012
      at 10:07 am
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      As far as I know purple potatoes are more akin to sweet potatoes and have a lot of the same nutritional benefits (high in vitamin A and C), so enjoy. They are part of the Okinawan diet.

      Similar to sweet potato also in the fact that it is the one carb that makes many religious-like Paleo-ites feel like they haven’t sold their soul to the devil for eating a “carb”.

      sorry, couldn’t resist, don’t go tell some dogmatic “primal dude” that takes life to seriously that I was talking shit, and start some forum war. I don’t have time for meaningless debate.

      Peace out.


  24. Danny
    07. Aug, 2012
    at 10:43 pm
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    Love your writing style Nate. Always crack me up. About pre-workout nutrition though, what if my someone’s goal is pure muscle gain, and not really worried about fat loss right now, would taking in whey protein before workouts help prevent catabolism? Or would the training fasted still be better due to the rebound anabolic period that you talked about?


    • Nate Miyaki
      08. Aug, 2012
      at 10:22 am
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      Haha, thanks Danny. Like Bruce Lee and Musashi I have NO style. I just write or say whatever comes into my head with no filter, and since I’m a little crazy, it turns out to be entertaining sometimes. I’m cool with that. Hope you are too.

      Yeah, I know there will be huge disagreements with me on this one, but I just don’t think its necessary (unless you are doing like 2-3 hour training sessions, but for most who train 1 hour or less…). If you ate a pound of meat the night before for dinner with some carbs, there will likely be both aminos and energy reserves in your system (for morning training). If you train in the evening, that’s why I recommend a Paleo-lunch 3-5 hours before as to not “over-fast” for lack of a better word.

      I just don’t see why adding supplemental protein is necessary. There are studies the lab guys will throw out for sure, but in terms of real world practical nutrition and making a difference, I think its a little over-stated. But that’s just me. I admit, I haven’t spent a lot of time or resources into studying supplements in general.

      Then there is this study that says fasted training boosts the signals for muscle growth (the anabolic rebound I mentioned): http://www.springerlink.com/content/w8712615714k8150/

      And then there is Serge Nubret, and I’m paraphrasing now because I don’t want to go frickin’ look it up, “do you really think I would eat a lot of meat and then protein powder too. Protein powder is made for people who can’t eat.


  25. ALEX
    08. Aug, 2012
    at 1:07 pm
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    So you eat 300-350 grams of carbs in one sitting? How is your blood sugar response? I have thought of doing something like this post workout (intense sprinting and weight lifting) but I am afraid the blood sugar rise would be to high, so instead I spread them out throughout the day. I calculate I need about 500 grams of carbs to sustain my high activity levels, but I despise eating a lot of meals.


    • Nate Miyaki
      09. Aug, 2012
      at 3:42 pm
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      1. Blood sugar response is phenomenal. I eat big while relaxing, pass out, have a few wet dreams about Mila Kunis, and start again the next day.

      2. But that’s also why I don’t do that during the day. Big carb-loaded meals will lead to rebound hypoglycemia and leave you mentally useless. Plus the embarrassment of messy pants would be shameful.

      3. Fear is the enemy of the warrior. Dogma instils fear, which is why it must be discarded.

      4. I despise eating multiple small meals as well. Good thing glycogen replenishment is the same whether carbs are taken in over 2 large meals or various small ones, at least according to this study:

      http://www.ajcn.org/content/34/9/1831.short


  26. Mitch
    08. Aug, 2012
    at 2:50 pm
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    I’ve got to say that this and Part 1 are some of the best articles regarding applied nutrition I’ve seen in the last few years. So much good stuff, thanks to both of you for this.

    P.S. Nate your tnation articles are dope as well!


    • Nate Miyaki
      09. Aug, 2012
      at 3:43 pm
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      Thanks for reading it, and the overall support brother. Much appreciated.


  27. SpecialK
    09. Aug, 2012
    at 7:10 am
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    Hey there!

    Great post!

    I´m a female basketball player and right now I´m following the Renegade Diet in my offseason (mainly strength training, no basketball at all) and I´m doing quite well with that.

    Preseason is just ahead and we will have basketball practice mostly in the evening. I also wanna incorporate some weight lifting in the morning.

    Any suggestion how to arrange my meals?!

    Thanks a lot and keep up the good work!


    • Nate Miyaki
      09. Aug, 2012
      at 3:58 pm
      #


      Well double days are a unique situation that require unique adjustments. Most advice (mine included) is geared towards those just training once a day. This is what the dogmatic clingers don’t understand. No one Right Way.

      I would probably go with a more traditional Sports Nutrition recovery meal following your morning weight session (0.4g/kg pro combined with 0.8g/kg of carbs). In other words, don’t skip post-workout nutrition just to fit into an arbitrary 16 hour fasting window. Training will give you some of the benefits of a longer fast, and you have to immediately think about preparing for your evening training session.

      From that point, back to a Paleo-style lunch, hoop dreaming/practice, and then hit the feast portion with the rest of cals and carbs at night (it should still be your biggest meal).

      Now that’s just a suggested starting point. Assess how you feel and perform, and make adjustments as necessary. If you are dragging ass at practice, maybe you do need more carbs at lunch, thus a more traditional spread, or maybe an afternoon snack (as examples). But try it my Way first and see how it goes.

      One more thing. Please hit a sweet fade away jumper at some point in honor of your new pal Miyaki


      • SpecialK
        15. Aug, 2012
        at 6:07 am
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        Thank you so much for your help! It´s highly appreciated and I will try not to disapoint you ;-)

        Concerning the “Paleo lunch”: is that meant to be strictly green vegetables, protein and little fat like the Renegade diet describes it or could you handle that more loosely?

        Thanks again!!


  28. Hussman
    09. Aug, 2012
    at 9:50 am
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    Nate, again some great stuff! Question though, I’m allergic to most fish, so it’s tough to go natural. I do take hempseed oil though (only flax I get is the flaxmeal in home made Paleo bread). Any thoughts on hempseed and its Omega 3,6,9 profile?


    • Nate Miyaki
      09. Aug, 2012
      at 4:06 pm
      #


      I only have a moderate ego, so I don’t have to pretend I know everything. This is one of those questions that I am probably not best equipped to answer my friend. I have not studied hempseed or hempseed oil so I can’t give you great feedback.

      sorry dude.


  29. Dennis Blair
    10. Aug, 2012
    at 3:04 am
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    Thanks man for sharing it I am a victim of the 100-calorie bars, gluten free muffins, high fiber cereals, pro-biotic yogurts, and organic pizza that you have mentioned but I am trying my level best to get rid of these.


  30. saretta
    11. Aug, 2012
    at 2:43 am
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    What about kefir? Is that a dairy no-no food like yoghurt?


  31. Marco
    11. Aug, 2012
    at 5:33 pm
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    Thanks for the info Nate & Jason . Simple question, if we are to get out fats from lets say fish for example. How do you suggest cooking the protein? And if you do use fats in cooking, how do those fats affect the total calorie count, and finally what fats would you use in cooking? Thank you.

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