I started training people when I was nineteen years old and still in school. After working in the college weight room I got out on my own. At first I was working with adults in a one on one setting for twenty bucks an hour. Eventually I worked that up to fifty and had a pretty good base of clients. They were all the average fat loss personal training client, however, and that was really the last thing I wanted to spend the rest of my career doing. I wanted to work with athletes and I wanted to train guys who were really serious about getting bigger, stronger and faster. That’s what I am passionate about. I have zero passion for any other type of training or any other clientele.
If the average middle aged female asks me for fat loss advice I don’t know what to tell her… primarily because I don’t care enough to think about it. It’s like asking for my opinion of the new Usher record. I don’t have an opinion of it because I don’t think about it. It doesn’t enter my thoughts. Ever.
One day back in the mid 90’s, while out with my dad, we ran into a friend of his who was out with his son. It was discussed that I could help the kid become a better football player and wrestler. A week later Mike Schwalb became my first athlete client. He later became my little brother and is one of my closest friends in the world to this day. That was sixteen years ago.
Mike’s dad did pretty well for himself so he was able to pay my rate of fifty bucks an hour, four days a week for Mike to train with me. Soon after that, because of the great results Mike was getting, he had referred me two more high school athletes. At that point I had three high school athletes paying me $800 a month and thought life was pretty good.
I was training them one on one at first but soon they started asking if they could come train together. Once we started doing the small group thing it got even better. They were having more fun and their results came at an even faster rate.
I then knew that small group training with athletes was what I wanted to do with the rest of my career. But I also knew that I wouldn’t be able to get a ton of them because most parents wouldn’t be able to afford that rate. So I decide to offer a special rate for student athletes.
I cut the monthly number in half then took fifty bucks off the top and decided that the student athlete rate was $350 per month. I had no clue about business or marketing back then so I just came up with that. I later shared that business plan with guys like Zach Even Esh and Eric Cressey and several others when they used to call me for advice on how to get started in the industry.
Funny enough, that’s what everyone who makes money does these days and what all the fitness business guys teach- small groups of 3-8 clients to one coach at somewhere between $300 and $1000 per month.
Anyway, word of mouth referrals started pouring in and the business was taking off. Then I came up with the idea of incentivizing referrals by offering a free month of training every time someone brought in a new client and that led to a whole new stream of regular business. Before I knew it my gym was overflowing with high school, college and pro athletes all day long. I was living the dream.
The Darkest Hour
One day all tenants of our building were notified that we had six months to find a new location. The building had been sold and the new owners had plans to take over the whole thing.
I searched frantically and eventually found a perfect spot at the last hour. But then it all went to shit when my lawyer screwed something up that we needed for the zoning permit. So after more than a decade in business Renegade no longer had a home. During this time I spent many hours on the phone with my good friends Dave Tate and Alwyn Cosgrove, discussing what to do with my future. We bounced around between a couple different locations and eventually decided to open in a new town just about three years ago.
When opening the doors of the new place I figured that the world had changed dramatically since the mid 90’s. Back then there was no competition. I was the only game in town. No one did the type of training I did. And if they did there was no internet to let my potential clients know it. I owned my town and the surrounding area. No one could touch me. There was no Velocity, no Parisi, not a sports performance place on every corner, not five million strength coaches who flip tires, no internet, no crossfit and no bootcamps.
On top of that the economy was a hell of a lot better back then.
So I thought, maybe the old plan won’t work anymore. The world is a completely different place. Maybe there’s too much competition, maybe people don’t like to pay for high quality service like they used to anymore because they’re used to paying lower rates for crossfit and all these silly little bootcamps. There was also the fact to consider that every high school these days seems to require the athletes to train in the weight room because they all have a strength coach nowadays.
Things had also changed dramatically for me. I was in a much different position than I was back in the mid 90’s. My name and business had grown over the years and I now had a ton of other commitments that would prevent me from being on the gym floor for twelve hours per day like I used to. So figured I needed some type of business plan that would reflect that.
With that in mind and in a horrible lack of judgment I decided to charge less than we used to and have more people training at once. Back in the days we almost always kept the client to coach ratio at six (or eight at most) to one. This time I decided that since the rates were lower we would have to increase that number to 15 or so. This can work if all of those people are experienced lifters with the athleticism of an Olympian. You get a few less than skilled lifters in that group, while trying to do barbell exercises, and the whole thing goes to shit.
Lesson Learned
There are really only two ways to run a profitable training facility these days. The first is you can run large group fat loss bootcamps. This is the type of training that I hate and have zero passion for. Now, if you know a thing or two about training you can make these workouts pretty cool and exciting. But for me, training middle aged women for fat loss is one of the worst possible jobs I could imagine. Not that there’s anything wrong with it. If that’s something you are passionate about out more power to you. I doubt you’d be reading this particular site if it was, though. The point is you have to do something you are passionate about otherwise it will never work. For me to put on my Richard Simmons wig and little striped shorts and go hop around in the morning with the ladies would be a huge mistake and would be a dismal failure because I wouldn’t be into it at all and everyone would see through it. Do what you love, first and foremost.
If you want to run bootcamps the training has to be pretty simple with a low risk of injury. No complicated exercises (because they’re not paying for that level of coaching and most of them don’t want to do those exercises anyway) and no fancy equipment needed. There should be a client to coach ratio of about 20-40 to one. The price per month should be around $199. If you start going much lower than that it’s going to be pretty hard to make money.
The other way to make money is what by doing I started doing back in the mid 90’s and what Eric Cressey, Zach Even Esh, Joe DeFranco, Alwyn Cosgrove and countless other successful coaches do today. You run small group training with a client to coach ratio of 4-8 to one. The price for this should be in the range of $249-499 per month, on average. If people would expect to normally pay $75 for personal training let them pay $20-35 and be in a small group where they are going to get much better results and have a lot more fun.
Coaching complex barbell lifts (or even advanced bodyweight exercises) in big groups for low prices (under $249 per month) DOES NOT WORK. Trust me; I tried it. People don’t get the attention they need and they end up getting hurt or with shitty results.
No matter what anyone tells you people will still pay for high quality service these days. And the only way you can offer high quality service is at the right price. Personal training, in most markets, is dead and bootcamp training is, well… bootcamp training. Small group training at a price somewhere between personal training bootcamps is where you want to be if you’re running your own facility or considering opening one.
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Good luck.









18. Aug, 2011
at 9:03 am #
I wanna do what Jason does so bad. I wish I got myself qualified back when. I’m 31 and only just starting my qualified (read lame) education now. Fat women- not in my gym! Renegade UK 2012 here I come. I want Jay to “christen” it! 0/
29. Aug, 2011
at 6:19 am #
@Gianni: Haha. Best of luck to you. Kick ass!
@Tommy- True.
@Tyler- You’re the man who can pull that off.
@Doug- Good point about getting them in the door. I hear ya on that.
@Louis- Depends. Doesn’t matter to me.
@Zach- DUDE, I can’t believe you remembered all that stuff! Those were some good times. Deep thoughts… HAHAHA
18. Aug, 2011
at 9:05 am #
Thank you for sharing this, Jason. Very nice insight and a lot to take from after reading a couple times. The biggest takeaway for me was to offer what you are passionate about and do that to the best of your ability. People know quality when they see it, and there is no use in trying to please everyone.
I heard the new Usher record sucks.
18. Aug, 2011
at 9:05 am #
Gianna, it is never too late. Do what you wanna do and you will make it happen.
18. Aug, 2011
at 9:05 am #
How about having a gym that operates all 3 models ;)
Nice post bro!
18. Aug, 2011
at 9:25 am #
I run bootcamps that basically cater to all people but would love to train athletes exclusively. (mind you, alot of them are anyway) My programs are 1-2 strength moves at the beginning (heavy 5-8 reps), assistance wk (pushups, lunges etc) and follow with conditioning stuff (sprints, animal crawls, ropes, no failure bodyweight stuff etc). People call it a bootcamp but I don’t train like a typical facility. It gets them in the door. Looking at my own place..Thanks for posting this…very helpful.
18. Aug, 2011
at 9:41 am #
You think a person can make it now a days with just a cert from NASM or the like or do people today want their trainers to be CSCS or have a degree?
18. Aug, 2011
at 9:55 am #
Hold ON BOYZ.. Some fat women happen to have a WARRIOR inside screaming to get out and I was one of them. There is a place for these women in a RENEGADE GYM such as Jason’s…are you kidding me???? A lot of us ‘older and previously out of shape women” just need some compassion and direction… I wouldn’t work out any other way than a RENEGADE STYLE… I am constantly kicking my own ass and loving it! At 54 years old now I am finally in a position to ‘help’ and encourage other women who are just starting out…. You would be surprised how “bad ass” we can actually be… Come to one of my classes and see. Hey Jason, anytime you want to ‘join forces’ You let me know… It would be an honor. Sending out a high five to JEN since I’m here… now she and ALLI… those are my role models~.
18. Aug, 2011
at 10:40 am #
Good shit man—I have to say though, I would probably pay money to see you in your Richard Simmons shorts and wig.
KV
18. Aug, 2011
at 10:58 am #
DUDE! I have SOOOOOO many memories of these days that people would freak about, back when….
- we chatted on AOL AIM
- you worked all day and then called me at night, while driving through McDonalds!!! ha ha
- telling me how a Yoga instructor flipped on you guys for screaming as you psyched a kid up for his 500 lb rack pull
- teaching your guy acceleration / deceleration in the dead of winter outdoors
- closing down your gym
- deciding you wanted to open a HUGE S & C facility and wanted me 2 quit teaching! ha ha
- exchanging e mails between you, Tate, Alwyn titled “deep thoughts” and then the subkect line became “deep throats” and other craziness
- buying your old equipment from your house out in the sticks
- eating at a diner, cheeseburger for me, 100 egg whites for you!!?? ha ha
I remember the “old days” – cracks me up when I look back!
FUNNY though, how we think we can do it another way, but truth be told we can only be true to our hearts if it is truly to work for the best.
GOOD s**t!
18. Aug, 2011
at 11:02 am #
It is fun to train high school athletes but alot of them just jacked around when I was with them(could have been my approach..not everyone is meant to coach them), even when I laid down the hammer.To me, it’s just as fun doing “renegade” style (or pretty darn close) training with average joes who want to be different than run of the mill hamsters on a treadmill. I agree with Jay re: do what u like and are passionate about. Watching an overweight middle ager, man or woman sprint at 90%, run hills, squat and do bear crawls when 4 months prior they couldn’t even handle a warm up, is awesome…
29. Aug, 2011
at 6:22 am #
@Doug Willick: I kinda agree with that. Most of my best guys the last few years have been dudes in their 30′s or 40′s; not always the high school kids.
@John- GREAT to hear!
@Matt- Aside from what I mentioned in this series of articles I’d check out Cosgrove’s biz product.
@Hans- Good to see you on here!
18. Aug, 2011
at 11:42 am #
Awesome article – I have a very similar background and story as you do. I am nearly 1 year into having my own S & C biz at 25 years old and it is awesome. People used to always tell me that I couldn’t charge what I do and that only training athletes would NOT work – I would hear all of the time that I had to train moms, I had to do corporate fitness, etc etc etc. I would hear that kind of thing all the time, but I knew deep down that is NOT my passion and I would hate it. I worked at a personal training facility while I was going through school and trained everyone – athletes, average Joes, moms, senior citizens, overweight people, skinny dudes, etc; I knew right then and there that I thrived training athletes and I did NOT enjoy training 1-on-1.
I’ve had people ask me to do the group fitness thing, but I have resisted countless times because it’s just not my passion and I think that would show. Thank you for all the great info. Big time inspired by guys like yourself who keep it real.
18. Aug, 2011
at 12:31 pm #
Jason,
Do you think someone with just a Nasm or cert like that can make it today doing training or do you need to have a degree and/or be CSCS to do this? Thanks!
18. Aug, 2011
at 12:58 pm #
To John Cortese, are you the same JC as known to Elliot Hulse?
@ Louis: great question. Please Jay can you answer that one!
18. Aug, 2011
at 4:35 pm #
@Gianni: Yep that’s me.
18. Aug, 2011
at 3:14 pm #
Thanks Jason. Really shattered I’m going to miss Alwyn’s webinar, it’s been flooding my inbox lately. Do you know if it will be available for download after?
Oh, and I love training my post-natal Mums but I do train them like athletes. They love it.
18. Aug, 2011
at 6:38 pm #
Great post. I have not been in private training all that long but have found the small group the best.
With 1 on 1 there is always something that happens, people move, family, work, etc… and that make keeping a full schedule difficult. Plus I did not find it all that exciting.
I have my own studio, nothing big but enough to get done what i need. I have found that 3 or 4 people work best. There is always something someone can be doing, most times I have a technical exercises paired with an accessory exercise. This way I only have to watch one exercise.
I have trained people from all walks of life and have found an athlete the best to work with. Overweight people in most cases don’t want to work like an athlete and that is not fun for me.
Thanks for the great post
19. Aug, 2011
at 1:48 am #
Jason,
I’m just about to move back to my home town and want to set up my own facility. I’m an educated and experienced trainer and train people pretty similar to how I would expect you would train your clients. This will be the first time I have my own facility. However it is a small town (about 8000 people) so do you or anyone else have any tips/ideas on how to tailor my business to ensure I can make a good wage? I will focus on athlete/young guys strength training but will have to include the chicks bootcamps for some extra cash flow.
I’m appreciating the last couple of articles as they are helping me get a solid idea of what I want to do. Keep up the great work mate! You are hugely appreciated!
Cheers
Matt
19. Aug, 2011
at 12:37 pm #
sorry about the same question 2 times. First time I did it I got an error message so didnt think it worked.
19. Aug, 2011
at 4:45 pm #
Very helpful – even if I do work mostly with women! I leave my wig off and make them deadlift.
Jason, we met at a Village Health event a couple of years ago. Hope to cross paths again soon.
20. Aug, 2011
at 5:56 am #
Ha!
Great post, Jason. It reminds me of sitting in Zach Even-Esh’s Level II Mastermind and having him cuss me out in a Jersey accent for still doing exclusively one-on-one training!
Small group training is the way to go, by far.
-The clients have more fun.
-The atmosphere is more competitive.
-The trainer has more fun and a lot less work time.
-Assuming the trainer is good there shouldn’t be a quality drop-off.
-Because the trainer can make more money in less time, it’s easy to drop prices below one-on-one.
One of life’s few win-win-win situations.
Cheers,
Isaac
21. Aug, 2011
at 7:59 am #
Man this is awesome thank you very much I’am really pumped about that webinar tommorrow.
Nothing wrong with learning a few tips from Mr Alwyn Cosgrove honestly because every book I read from other coaches has a reference to Mr Cosgrove. So I got this funny feeling I might learn a few things eh!
Anyone who is anyone in the coaching or training industry needs to watch this or at least buy some of his books it’s a must for anyone.
Also Mr Ferruggia’s products as well haha(obviously) They didn’t pay me to say this haha
21. Aug, 2011
at 7:02 pm #
Yo! I’m sitting here ROTF because I’ve been dying to comment on your blog using my brand new spam name. I’m no SEO expert but perhaps I should have linked it to coupletedouche.com instead tho LOL
(You can punch me in the face for joke spam when you see me, in fact I should probably punch myself for using ROTF & LOL at once.)
Anyways, all jokes aside this was a solid post bro. I’ll have to share this one with my buddy Nate, who runs his own facility in Charleston and is having similar issues.
*Disclaimer: My site isn’t really all that awesome
29. Aug, 2011
at 6:23 am #
@Jamin’s Super Awesome Muscle & Fitness Site*: HAHAHA
@SportsDoc- Indeed
23. Aug, 2011
at 1:05 pm #
The information here has been extremely helpful. I do not have a gym business but it will still help in my clinic. If your not growing your dying. Using this philosophy, you can help but grow. Thanks for the great insight and information.