“No, no, just squat straight down really fast and drop your ass all the way to the floor. Move your feet and hands a little wider. Now just rip the bar up off the floor and stand straight up.”
I cringed in pain as I watched two college aged kids deadlift a couple weeks ago at the gym I’ve been training at in Cali.
“Dude, it feels like my back is gonna break.”
And indeed it was coming close.
I continued writing in my training journal and prepared for my squat workout but I couldn’t look away from the car wreck happening just off to my left.
After a few more sets I snapped out of high intensity pre workout mode and got into coaching mode.
“Can I help you guys out here?”
“Yeah, man. Please do.”
I introduced myself to Luke and Billy and proceeded to explain what they were doing wrong and went on to coach them on deadlift technique for the next thirty minutes. I’m always hesitant to do this because I don’t want to come across as a douche or insult anyone. But I couldn’t stand by in all good conscience and let these poor guys destroy their spines. They were more than receptive and couldn’t be more excited with how much better they felt after I gave them a couple of pointers.
“Oh, man, that made a huge difference! My back feels way better.”
“Good, good. Now let’s just stick with 135 and have you do more five or six more sets of five. And for the next month or two I don’t want you going above five reps per set. Just add about five pounds per workout. Maybe ten if your form is improving rapidly.”
“Ok, cool.”
“Again, get the proper foot placement under the bar that I showed you, fill your belly with air, squat down and set your arch, load those hamstrings up with tension, squeeze the bar as tightly as you can and feel the tension radiating up through your arms and spreading throughout your entire upper body. Don’t start pulling until you maximize the tension. At that point, slowly grind the bar off the floor. When it clears your knees you can than forcefully drive your hips through. The deadlift is one of the only lifts that doesn’t start with an explosive contraction. If you do that you’ll get hurt. And you guys were well on your way there.”
“Got it. How’s that looking? Any better?”
“Much better. You got it now.”
After they finished up I finally got started on my squat workout. Unfortunately there was a mirror in front of the squat rack. Anyone who knows anything about training knows that’s a big no-no. And of course we don’t have any mirrors at Renegade, so I was a little thrown off. In fact, I was a lot thrown off. I just couldn’t get the groove right and didn’t know where to look. I kept falling forward and I could just see an injury coming at any second.
“Man, I really hope those kids aren’t still here witnessing this debacle,” I thought to myself. I coach them for thirty minutes and then can’t even squat right, myself. That would’ve been a bad look.
“Fuck it, I thought. I can’t squat til I get back to Renegade. Not worth the risk. Plus, even if I get used to squatting with a mirror I’ll be out of sorts when I get back to squatting without a mirror.”
So I decided to front squat. Why? Simple- because I never do. So I figured that I wouldn’t know the difference. I never front squat because I hate to front squat.
A lot of “functional” strength coaches prefer the front squat to the back squat but in my opinion they may be a bit misled.
One of the arguments for the front squat is that they are safer for the spine. Funny but I see just as many people, if not more, rounding forward on front squats as I do on back squats. Just as easily as you could argue that they are safer for the spine you could argue that they are more stressful to the knees just because the knees have to travel much further forward. Case in point- front squats with just 225 will bother my right knee. But I don’t feel a thing in my right knee until I hit a slightly bad rep with over 400 pounds on a back squat.
Front squats are also supposedly somehow more functional. I don’t see it.
I’m not saying the front squat’s a bad exercise, however. Not at all. In theory I like the exercise a lot. It’s just that I base my conclusions off real world observations. And most people find front squats tedious and uncomfortable. If you do them correctly the bar will be resting on your front delts and nearly crushing your throat. If you have little muscle mass this will not be fun. That means they will pretty much suck for skinny hardgainers and many females when the weights start getting somewhat heavy. They can also be stressful on the wrists and elbows as well, especially if you have big arms. Another problem is that with heavier weights form breaks down on front squats before it does on back squats and not due to the legs being fatigued.
Having said that, I still think the front squat is a good exercise in theory. One of the biggest problems, however, is that people use horrible form when performing front squats. If you want to front squat make sure you are doing so properly.
First thing is the bar placement. It should be high. Really high. Like almost crushing your throat and choking you. Like I said, it aint comf.
The next thing to cover is how to hold the bar properly. A lot of people hold the bar like they are doing a military press. That is completely wrong and will lead to a horrible performance on the exercise.
When you grab the bar do so with only the tips of your index and middle finger. Some people will be able to get a ring finger on it as well. If you have the bar down too low on your fingers buried down near the palm of your hand you’ll be in trouble. The wrist stress will be more than you need in your life and it will be difficult to hold the bar up throughout the set. So just the tips of two or three fingers.
When you set your fingertips on the bar elevate your elbows as high as you can, so that they are about parallel to the floor. If you have big arms you can expect this position to be pretty irritating. Another option is to use wrist straps attached to the bar and just hold onto those. That works for some but it aggravates the hell out of other people’s elbows and wrists.
So if your arms are over 16 or 17 inches this may not be the exercise for you.
If you have elbow issues this is definitely not the exercise for you.
If you have wrist issues this is definitely not the exercise for you.
If you play a sport such as baseball this is definitely not the exercise for you.
Since I fall into three out of four categories there it should be obvious why I don’t front squat and why after doing them last week my left elbow is still throbbing in pain.
The other option is the crossed arms style. This is more of a bodybuilder way of doing them versus the lifter way of doing them. Personally I’ve never felt right doing them like that so I’m not a big fan. If it works for you, so be it. Dave Draper did them like that so who am I to argue?
There’s also something called the Sting Ray which is a plastic device that goes over the bar to make the arms crossed version easier. That might be something you’d want to try if you were going to start front squatting.
Anyway, if you CAN front squat let’s move on to the next step. Now that you have the proper set up it’s time to unrack the bar and start the descent. Just like with back squats you want to take a huge breath and fill your belly with air before going down. You don’t sit as far back on the front squat; it’s more of just a quick break at the hips and down. Like I said, the knees will travel further forward than they do on a back squat which will target the quads more. This is a good thing if you lack quad size or just need to strengthen them.
A few years back it seemed like all performance based training was all about focusing on the posterior chain and people forgot about the quads. Since the quads are very important muscles for acceleration and deceleration this was a big mistake. You need strong quads to perform well and the front squat targets them very effectively. That’s why you will see bodybuilders doing them after back squats or leg extensions sometimes; albeit with lighter weights in the Smith machine with their arms crossed.
When you’re coming out of the hole it’s very important to keep your elbows high. If they start dropping down that will pull you forward and you will either dump the weight or make the rep significantly harder than it should be.
As much as I personally dislike front squats I still do think they are an effective exercise for some people. There are front squat harnesses which look pretty cool and although I haven’t tried one yet I would definitely like to. Obviously, enough people hate to or can’t front squat otherwise there would never have been a front squat harness invented. If you have any experience with the harness I’d like to hear your feedback.
For the most part I will stick with back squats. But if you want to play around with some front squats here and there make sure your technique is tight, as described above. Also be wary of the problems I mentioned.
As for when to do them goes you have a few options. You could just replace back squats for a few weeks and see how you like front squatting. If you like it, feel free to stick with it. If you are already someone who loves front squatting don’t let me talk you out of doing them, either. These are simply my opinions on the lift.
Another option for those new to front squats, and what I would probably do myself, is add them in during a hypertrophy phase as a second or third exercise. Maybe start with backward sled drags or lunges and then go into front squats. That way the quads are pre exhausted so you wouldn’t have to use as much weight which would make the exercise slightly less uncomfortable.
You could also start with kettlebells and progress to a bar after a few weeks or month. The kettlebell front squat is a great assistance exercise, although it does get a bit difficult to hold after a while when you start working up to heavier weights.
Of course, if you replace back squats with front squats on a long term basis you need to remember to include some more posterior chain work because the front squats won’t hit those muscles as effectively as the back squat. That means for big, powerful glutes you will need to add in some extra deads, glute hams and glute bridges.
One last thing is to make sure you don’t do more than six reps on front squats. That’s because the front delts and upper back will fatigue long before the legs do.
Whichever option you choose remember that perfect form and stopping shy of failure are crucially important.
I ran into Billy and Luke yesterday at the gym right before they were heading back to school for the semester. It looked like they had each gained size since I’d seen them last and I told them so.
“Yeah, man. I’m up five pounds. All that stuff you told us about the form and holding back on our weights, not going to failure; that helped so much on every single lift. We both just set new records on everything our last week here.”
Train smart.
Please leave your comments below and let me know what you think of the front squat and if you have tried the Sting Ray or front squat harnesses.























30. Aug, 2010
at 12:47 pm #
I’ve used the front squat harness made by westside. It can be useful, but it’s definitely made for fat guys with a wide, deep powerlifting squat. If you don’t have a belly to push the bottom of the harness away, the steel-backed pad will cut into your groin as you drop down. We’ve considered having a steel fabricator modify ours to round off the square corners on the it so it doesn’t cut so much.
There are pros and cons to the sharp corner thing, because it will teach you to use a very hip dominant wide squat or suffer the consequences, but for guys with singe digit bodyfat it’s still nearly impossible to get back far enough to keep the harness from hitting the inside of your thighs as you drop down unless you use your hands to push the harness away. That gets tricky because the front squat hooks aren’t all that deep so you don’t want to moving the harness too much with a loaded bar and it just feels odd to squat well when you’re pushing a loaded metal harness off your stomach with your hands.
I have a friend who interned at westside for a while and was using it to squat onto a box. He dropped into the squat and literally smashed his balls between the bottom of the harness and the box. He gets a little twitchy now when we break out the squat harness.
One of Louie’s favorite things with it was using the low hooks for zercher style squats. If you do this and just push the harness away from you a little bit as you drop it can be a really good exercise.
On the hyperlink to my website I linked to an entry on my site with a picture of my buddy Jesse the harness for chained front squats from pins. You can see that even on a big guy like him the bottom of the harness will get dangerously close to testicle territory as he drops back into the squat.
30. Aug, 2010
at 12:54 pm #
Awesome feedback. Thanks a lot, Craig. That’s kind of what I figured. There is another company that makes a front squat harness as well
30. Aug, 2010
at 1:04 pm #
I enjoy switching to the front squat every 3-4 months for variety. They’re actually easier on my left knee than back squats are. I’m double-jointed in both arms which makes the cross armed style much easier for me to do.
Great post! Had to do the same thing about three weeks ago, except it was a HS football player trying to train his little brother.
30. Aug, 2010
at 1:24 pm #
Nice write up…
I cue myself this way:
-Tall back, Chest Up, Shoulders Forward, Elbows Up
-Slight Bend in Knees
-Break Hips back Slightly
-Now sink, Allowing knees to drift forward
-Rebound out of the hole using the stretch reflex
30. Aug, 2010
at 2:04 pm #
Thanks for discussing the difference between the two squats. I thought there must be something wrong I’m doing wrong that I couldn’t front squat as heavy as the back squat.
I like the front squat it feels like my Abs do more work in trying to balance the load so I considered it an Abs exercise more than developing strength.
Raymond
30. Aug, 2010
at 2:17 pm #
Had the exact same thing recently at the gym I was at, a small group of young lads actually gathered round the bar I was using for deadlifts. One of them was trying to lift it! I had 150kg on it and I could just see him snapping in half!!
From the looks of things they had been watching me and their ego’s had took over and wanted some of it when I had wandered off to get some straps. At least they were receptive to some education, it made me cringe seeing their antics I can tell you!
Front squats just don’t suit me, they hurt my wrists and I just cannot get a comfortable lift. I figure if I am not getting a groove with it, why bother when I can do back squats instead.
30. Aug, 2010
at 3:03 pm #
I used to try to do front squats but I could never get my arms parallel and my wrists bent at such an extreme angle. Just now, I tried to match the position of the woman in the photo, sans bar. If I had had a bar it would have wound up BEHIND my neck! I think some of us just have too-long forearms. When you say “If your arms are over 16-17 inches long this may not be the exercise for you” from which two points are you measuring?
There’s probably a lot I’m still doing wrong but I get that it’s tricky to intercede when you see someone doing something wrong or potentially dangerous. From a novice’s viewpoint, it’s cool when someone (you hope) knows what they’re doing corrects you but it makes you nervous to do anything in front of them afterwards. And you know they’re hoping you don’t start bugging them to death and become a pest ;). It can be uncomfortable on both ends but you probably saved those guys a lot of pain and suffering by speaking up so, good job.
30. Aug, 2010
at 5:10 pm #
Ey Jason, thanks for the info love the kettlebell front squat for the sake of saving the wrists and the throat. But you are right about the upper body burning out before the quads if you go real heavy. Thats why I use it more as an assistant exercises with higher reps and it all works out fine.
30. Aug, 2010
at 5:51 pm #
Hey Jason,
About the mirror… That damn thing throws me off too.
Here’s what I do when I’m at a gym with mirrors in front of the squat rack:
I go into the squat rack backwards, so I’m facing the rest of the gym.
I get quite a few odd looks, and it takes some getting used to racking it backwards rather than forwards, but you’ll feel a lot more comfortable throughout the exercise.
Great post, by the way. Glad to have found this blog, bookmarking now.
30. Aug, 2010
at 6:31 pm #
I’m glad tracy morgan made an appearance for some split deadlifting.
30. Aug, 2010
at 7:14 pm #
I like the front squat. I teach the front squat before the back squat for a few reasons.It gets the athletes used to being in the rack position of the power clean. Two The front squat provides quick feedback on your squating form. If you start your decent with the knees your going forward. It really emphasizes hips first.If you master the Front your back squat will improve alot. Also i find it works well for a quick acceleration improvement. Just another tool in the shed and should be used.
30. Aug, 2010
at 8:12 pm #
I too like kettlebell “front squats.” I’ve been having my newer female clients using KBs (2 KBs – 1 in each arm) to teach then how to front squat. Like you mentioned, it is easier to set up (not cruching their throat/bothering their wrists if they’re not used to it yet) and the KBs are not too BIG, bulky, and awkward across their forearms b/c they are too weak (at least when they 1st come to see me) to load up BIG weights. Also works well with for KB “Front Box Squats.”
Nice post Jason!
30. Aug, 2010
at 8:28 pm #
great article. I have found the best use for front squats has been the new trainee. I have found it easier to teach and to front squat before the back squat.
If you have the right kind of dumbbells begin use those too instead of the kettle bell front squat
31. Aug, 2010
at 4:17 am #
What are your thoughts on Zercher squats as an alternative to front squats?
31. Aug, 2010
at 9:10 am #
Great article, Jason. I’m glad I found a place I can find solid fitness advice. Although this is slightly off subject, what is your take on reverse grip barbell and dumbbell bench press? I read somewhere that it hits the pecs at all angles and it seems like it may be easier on the shoulder joints. I use it every now and then to change things up a bit, but I’d like to hear your advice on the lift. Thanks
31. Aug, 2010
at 10:43 am #
I was wondering what your opinion on front squats was… and now I know. I’m in my first year of weight training and I go to an all-ladies gym with no power rack. There’s only a smith machine (which I hate for squatting) and free weights (dbs and bbs) – oh and lots of other machines. I started off doing back squats but with no rack I found it hard get the bb over my head (as I went up in weight)and into the correct position in a comfortable amount of time so I started front squatting. I’ve been doing it quite successfully (I think) for some time now. My wrists hurt at first and I had some bruising on my clavicle as well but none of that anymore. I won’t be renewing my membership to that gym when my year is up but until then I am very comfortable front squatting.
BTW, I’ve had great success with 3XM!
31. Aug, 2010
at 12:46 pm #
I like the back squats for being more a complete excercise, plus, being skinny doesnt help on the delts and couldnt go heavier like I do on back squats.
31. Aug, 2010
at 6:57 pm #
i have used front box squats for over a year now and love them. switched to front after having a back injury. after fixing that issue(caused by the leg press, so much for being back friendly) i discovered i enjoy the front squat and got more out of it. i train mma and feel it has helped me be more explosive a has great carry over to my strength on the mat. i have less back issues and feel less “compressed” if you know what i mean. i recommend this movement for grapplers, linemen and sumo as it improved my ability to move people. I use a 15inch box that puts me about parallel or slightly below. I use a clean grip useing 3 fingers to hold the bar.i put on a pair of wrist wraps as i have a old injury to my right hand. the compression of the wraps take any pain away. im 275-280 and have hit 455×1 on my 5/3/1 day(i use wendler 5/3/1) and feel 500 is in sight. some say havin large arms makes a clean grip difficult but i have 20.5 inch arms and find it easy now, just took a month to get use to. still back squat after fronts for various rep ranges but fronts are my max effort movement. feel many would benefit from fronts and hope m experience can help others.
01. Sep, 2010
at 5:07 am #
Jim Wendler has said that ‘back’ squats are a core/main exercise, and front squats are an assistance exercise. My first training partner, who was big and strong said the same thing.
I like front squats, because they give a good carryover to both squats and deadlifts, with the increased upper back, leg and ‘core’ strength they lead to. But I’m also going to start integrating more overhead squat assistance work. Dan John swears by them.
01. Sep, 2010
at 10:25 am #
Love front squats with my heels slightly elevated on something like 5 lb plates. I feel smoother with them than with the back squat. Getting proper flexibility in the bottom position as well as with the wrists is huge, and they’re not the big money exercise like the back squat in terms of poundage. Still, back squats are always included as I believe they’re different enough but both beneficial as to to not replace one with the other.
01. Sep, 2010
at 10:48 am #
http://www.getstrength.com/Front-Squat-Harness-s/View-all-products.html
Coincidentally I saw this one in a gym yesterday and it works much better. Darren Ellis showed me this place in Auckland while I was there a few years ago and they make a lot of good stuff. If you’re looking for a squat harness I’d recommend this one.
07. Sep, 2010
at 9:31 am #
Jason,
I didn’t do a ton of front squats with my athletes at the facility until recently. I like front squats, but having to work with the form, bar position, and wrist, elbow, shoulder flexibility took up time they could be using to better them selves on other exercises. With that being said, after playing around in the rack with some of my other coaches, I came up with a solution and now front squat is part of our normal squat variation routine.
We just use a Safety Squat Bar now and hold it backwards. The athlete is forced to shove the pad up under the chin and then support the bar crossing their arms. Not only does it enforce proper front squat technique, but less stress on the wrists, shoulders, elbows, and arms without sacrificing any technique.
I think some other coaches run it this way as well so give it a shot (but I bet you already have :)).
D
07. Sep, 2010
at 7:30 pm #
I’m so thrown off by the hot chick that I forgot what this post is all about.
Front Hacks? Romainian front squats??
09. Sep, 2010
at 9:36 am #
i’d really like to work front squats in, but they just are so damn uncomfortable. i’ve found hack squats and safety squat bar squats with the bar in the reverse position to be decent substitutes. has anyone tried a front squat harness? if so, any recommendations?
07. Apr, 2011
at 12:16 pm #
Great Article. I actually just did front squats yesterday. I have all but replaced back squats with front squats because I’m a college wrestler and I just feel the lift is so much more conducive to the sport. When I’m in on a guys legs and need to drive up his weight is in front as opposed to being loaded on your back. I’ve been making a living off of deads to make up for the loss of hammy and glute work. I was curious what your thoughts are on this Jason… again thanks for the great article.
24. Apr, 2012
at 9:41 pm #
I am 6’3″ with a long torso and have never been able to back squat very effectively, Once I learned how to front squat properly it was like a revelation. And, no the trap bar deadlift is not an acceptable replacement for squats (though a couple of Hammer Strength machines might be but I won’t get into that because you dislike machines). The Getstrength Front Squat Harness is the best squat gimmick I have ever used. It also allows you to do high-rep front squats which I think is better for leg size for most. I find Zercher squats can be a substitute but are also a slightly different exercise and can mess up your arms when you get heavy. I back squatted 315 once (with terrible form) and it almost killed me. I can easily Zercher way more than that and prefer to do ATG front squats with perfect form with 225 than a terrible back squat. Some people are just not designed to squat well and would be well served to try different options. I also front squat with straps once in a while instead of the harness just to keep it real. I use the Ironmind daisy chains and just put my thumb in one of the loops, it helps keep the elbows high. This is an affordable solution but not good for high reps.